Airsoft to bill to be passed in december

[cdog]

Found this link yesterday. The representative for Airsoft Australia may be getting this legitament sport back to australia. I'll run 6mm paintball BB's in my "marker"...:lol:...

http://libertywhinge.com/2008/02/28/airsoft-to-become-legal-in-australia/

[Blobby]

holy crap.....cdog lives.....

[Crusader]

A) I can't see how Airsoft could be considered a legit sport. Can you prove that you shot someone? Or is it a target sport? :yawn:

B) Airsoft destroyed paintball in Japan. Good thing our country isn't prone to ridiculously paternalistic responses to public outcry ... oh wait... were screwwwwwwwwed ;______;

That said, #### some of the guns are rad :twisted:

I wanna deagle & an awp :rofl:

[Albatross]

My question is how do they plan to get around the 'realism' factor? A modded up a5 to looks like an ak-47 - mag included - is still nowhere near as realistic as the airsoft version. With the collective experience paintballers have had with the authorities over the appearance of our markers, it would be one of the biggest backflips in history for them to say that airsoft rifles are ok (if they included pistols too that would just blow this thing wide open). The fact that they operate much more like real firearms, as in you don't need to add accessories like hoppers or air tanks, should mean that they be scrutinised a lot more. You even could say that is why they were considered illegal from the beginning.

It seems to me the major issues with paintball held by the authorities/community is realism of markers (bushball) and ROF (tourney) - the question of the physical damage done by getting shot with a paintball has either been over looked or has become an acceptable facet of the sport. From the article it looks like they will need to get past these two issues to make airsoft legal - the fact that they are appear to be making demands about full auto being allowed (they make it sound like it's an integral part of their 'sport') boggles the mind.

The only good thing to come from this may be the idea to have a separate licence for airsoft AND paintball, and have the laws amended so that acquisition and storage isn't as big a pain in the ass as it is now. I'm interested to see how this will turn out.

[koala]

Airsoft is awesome, but if it gets legal over here, its going to be s**t, like having "clear" guns and so on... haha

[SandmanIV]

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[SandmanIV]

A) I can't see how Airsoft could be considered a legit sport. Can you prove that you shot someone? Or is it a target sport? :yawn:

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2nd even lazertag seems closer to legit. at least it can be enforced and regulated. and what is the appeal over pb except for younger kid? not havin a dig just curious.

[SwAmP tHiNg]

honestly, we have more chance having tea with the pope than seeing airsoft in Oz. good luck to them if they can, but i dont see the point. it only takes one fool with a bad hair cut at customs, and we all go bad to the dark ages.....
as for realism........(sigh), one day.....maybe

[Chief Wiggum]

Airsoft will not happen in SA thats for sure.

[BJM]

Hey Chief....

Nothing happens in SA...

[Kymbo]

Your not wrong there.. Nothing happens in SA because its a Retirement Village..:thumbsdow......Not allowed to have any fun here....:rant:

[DugDaThug]

I have looked everywhere for some info on why there are such strict rules governing pb here in Aus, and found zilch, nada, zip, squat and didly. Did someone go loco and pop a poli??!?? Are you all complete nutters and settle reffing disputes with a knife-fight??

[Crusader]

I have looked everywhere for some info on why there are such strict rules governing pb here in Aus, and found zilch, nada, zip, squat and didly. Did someone go loco and pop a poli??!?? Are you all complete nutters and settle reffing disputes with a knife-fight??

Australian politicians decided long ago that liberalism was too hard a creed to follow. They take the easy way out and simply abrogate controversial minority rights.

Side note: When paintball was finally legalised in Canberra back in the day every male representative voted for, and every female representative voted against.

[DugDaThug]

Australian politicians decided long ago that liberalism was too hard a creed to follow. They take the easy way out and simply abrogate controversial minority rights.

Side note: When paintball was finally legalised in Canberra back in the day every male representative voted for, and every female representative voted against.

Ahhhhh, first they stop you drinking and smoking, then move on to your friends and family, then they cross the line and mess with your God given right to shoot people in the face....

[Pounder]

All of the above, plus Port Arthur. Throw in a knee jerk reaction or two, add the human characteristic to fear anything you don't understand and here we are.

[inverted_guy]

yay dunno how true this is but i heard a few guys who have been in the sport since almost day 1 in australia

apparently the gas propelled fire arms that police use in riot control that shoot rubber balls or pepper balls came into australia before paintball guns did sooo therefore the fire arms classed paintball markers in the same category as those police fire arms so now there not toys there prohibited weapons
ghey
but this could be 100% bs i just heard that that was the reason behind the laws

[lobbie111]

yay dunno how true this is but i heard a few guys who have been in the sport since almost day 1 in australia

apparently the gas propelled fire arms that police use in riot control that shoot rubber balls or pepper balls came into australia before paintball guns did sooo therefore the fire arms classed paintball markers in the same category as those police fire arms so now there not toys there prohibited weapons
ghey
but this could be 100% bs i just heard that that was the reason behind the laws

Actually thats not true, most riot control type devices are fired from shotguns or 40mm grenade launchers with little to no modifications, only newer designs like the FN303 less lethal launcher have used the paintball gas operated system.

http://images.chron.com/blogs/immigration/archives/FN-303.jpg
http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/FN303gun1.jpg

notice the 15 round drum magazine that fires a variety of rounds from CS gas pellets to bean bag round to paintball pellets.

Runs on 45/3000 hpa

(on a sidenote I diddn't think anyone in australia had riot control guns until after paintball was legalised in most states.)

[Pollitical Rant]I think it was Port Arthur that did it for all projectile shooting sports with the exception of archery, not sure why... The government kneejerked as others have stated and the laws have stuck because we have idiots in charge who only care about power not about the people[/Pollitical Rant]

It is not the fact of the realism that is the underlain problems, it is the act of firing a projectile at another living thing, people can't seem to understand human nature, which means they can't understand themselves.

[Crusader]

with the exception of archery, not sure why...

I love it how people can buy high powered composite bows without licenses.

It makes me feel safe.

Because they aren't accurate silent long ranged weapons

Who wants to employ the archery lobby group for paintball?

[lobbie111]

I love it how people can buy high powered composite bows without licenses.

It makes me feel safe.

Because they aren't accurate silent long ranged weapons

Who wants to employ the archery lobby group for paintball?

Lobby group, you said yourself they are swift silent and deadly pollitical

[DugDaThug]

Lobby group, you said yourself they are swift silent and deadly pollitical

Ninjas and Poli-ticks are related!!! Proof^^

This brings me to my next problem with the 'red tape' brigade....

The time has come for me to get my marker licence. Being a foreigner and awaiting my "Right to Remain" in this country, what do you think my chances are?? :thumbsdow

[Trapper]

they aren't exactly quite up close by the way, i have one here and it is bloody loud when you release

[Crusader]

they aren't exactly quite up close by the way, i have one here and it is bloody loud when you release

It's ok, your victims won't hear it :rofl:

[cdog]

From what i understand, especially doing a heap of IPSC shooting (CATEGORY H), there is no genuine reason for owning an airsoft marker. If you ever wanted to get in a good STI race gun replica, it is registered and treated like a real CAT H gun (Crazy!). To comply this would mean mag capacity restrictions (semi auto pistols = 10 rounds), barrel length restrictions (122mm min barrel length) and prob not full autos (Bye bye Glock 18c's, Berretta 93R, TMP's, etc.). This is crazy as they are a toy. I reckon it would be a good idea to have licensces so they know who has them but thats about it....and maybe a permament bright orange tip like New York has to have. The rep from Airsoft Australia has left the restrictions open for the police/ government to set but from what it looks like, stressed the point that semi auto/ full auto rifles are pretty much essential for the sport (M4 anyone, maybe a nice supressed Ingram Mac-10)...What about the RAP 4 marker range. They have a new airsoft conversion kit so swap between the two depending on what discipline your playing. Just buy 6mm or 8mm Paintball airsoft pellets to have the best of both worlds?

[encarnate]

Your not wrong there.. Nothing happens in SA because its a Retirement Village..:thumbsdow......Not allowed to have any fun here....:rant:

just wish all the retirees would stop moving to queensland...:lol:

[HouseholdDog]

[Pollitical Rant]I think it was Port Arthur that did it for all projectile shooting sports with the exception of archery, not sure why... The government kneejerked as others have stated and the laws have stuck because we have idiots in charge who only care about power not about the people[/Pollitical Rant]

What you have got to understand lobbie is that a VAST majority of people in Australia wanted those laws passed at the time.
Howard was absolutely compelled to pass some sort of legislation to ban military style weapons. He passed it even though it split his party. With Quite few branch delegates and presidents in the Libs defected to the shooters party.
On a side note Howard allegedly had to wear a bullet proof vest when addressing angry shooters.
If this occurred under a Labor government it would have been much stricter. Many elements in New Labor are idiologically opposed to guns and militarism.
Lobbie, effectively this ban IS the will of the (majority of) people. Understand this and you will have a better idea what can be achieved politically in regards to paintball and airsoft.

[Crusader]

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1736501,00.html

[Crusader]

I have nothing against reducing gun ownership. There is no reason for the majority of people to own a firearm.

But state interference should be limited as much as possible. I don't want some paternalistic government telling me that I'm not allowed to have a paintball gun because I might use it in a naughty manner. I'll vandalize places with it? lol. Ban spray cans. People will get hurt in drive-bys? Ever seen what you can do to pedestrians with some eggs and a car going at speed? Ban eggs.

I wonder what the argument against realistic looking paintball markers is.

People are going to be held up with "realistic" paintball guns? My friend had police officers draw guns on him when he was doing slide training at a local oval using a toy gun he bought from K-Mart. In Romperstomper didn't the kid get blown away when he held up the police with a toy gun?

Reason with me...

[HouseholdDog]

We are talking politics, not sense, Crusader. :)

An argument could be made that as long as we have free state run medical care in Australia the Government will pass more and more safety legislation.


BTW from the thing you posted before :
It won't seem irrelevant to some that McPhedran and Baker are affiliated with the Sydney-based International Coalition for Women in Shooting and Hunting. But it should be, McPhedran argues: their analysis has been peer-reviewed, approved for publication and should be judged on its merits, she says.

Now their paper, and arguments, may well be valid but we are not looking at independant research here. Its a lobby paper.

[Crusader]

We are talking politics, not sense, Crusader. :)

An argument could be made that as long as we have free state run medical care in Australia the Government will pass more and more safety legislation.


BTW from the thing you posted before :
It won't seem irrelevant to some that McPhedran and Baker are affiliated with the Sydney-based International Coalition for Women in Shooting and Hunting. But it should be, McPhedran argues: their analysis has been peer-reviewed, approved for publication and should be judged on its merits, she says.

Now their paper, and arguments, may well be valid but we are not looking at independant research here. Its a lobby paper.

I love how you recognize the dichotomy of sense and politics :rofl:

I like the medicare argument. Still, paintball is safe. If it was worried about the costs of medicare that much the government could bring in a fat tax like Japan. That'd be gold :whip: But seriously... It's hard to justify the interference without resorting to the conclusion that the government is giving priority to its perception of the good rather than undertaking any sort of utilitarian analysis.

Citizens should be given freedom to pursue their particular version of the good so long as it doesn't impinge other citizens pursuit of their personal good.

[Triggerhappy]

the rules and regulations in Australia have allot to answered for. I really don’t think the government understands the game of paintball and its players, maybe the politicians will have an end of year paintball party and then realize that its just a game, and like all games they have enthusiasts and just chilax. In summery its all F*****. If you need me ill be in the corner crying myself to sleep.

[HouseholdDog]

Citizens should be given freedom to pursue their particular version of the good so long as it doesn't impinge other citizens pursuit of their personal good.
Its a nice statement but not too sure how well it works in real life.

Pretty well everything we do is bound to impinge on someones pursuit of their personal good. :)

[Trapper]

Its a nice statement but not too sure how well it works in real life.

Pretty well everything we do is bound to impinge on someones pursuit of their personal good. :)

As dog has said, basicaly i look at it this way in relation to queensland. Does queensland have old people? Yes, does queensland have do gooder churchie types? Yes, Does Queensland have a labor goverment who have no clue anymore and will do anything to stay in power? Yes. Whats needed is for the shoorters party to start a branch up here for the next state election and get someone in parliment like in NSW, it won't do alot but it gives us some voice at least

[Birdman]

Not going to happen. It would require amendment to federal customs law first which would then create problems with enforcement on a state by state basis. Then amended to Queensland firearms law - all as a back flip on previous policy. Don't get too excited I'm afraid

[koala]

Even if it gets legal, i cant find how they are going to work it out.
Where are you going to play?? in a rental field?? how are they going to get money out of people??? Renting airsoft guns?? Selling BB's??

Airsoft Guns are really cheap in these days (not talking about top brands), you can get "ready to shot out of the box" AEG's with steel "gearboxs" for under 200$.
BB's you can buy them like 10,000 for $10

I know not everyone will check out this factor, because everyone will only look at a pic and say, "Is that a gun?? you can rob a bank with that, no thanks (then calls the cops)"... (True personal experience overseas) looool

[lobbie111]

What you have got to understand lobbie is that a VAST majority of people in Australia wanted those laws passed at the time.
Howard was absolutely compelled to pass some sort of legislation to ban military style weapons. He passed it even though it split his party. With Quite few branch delegates and presidents in the Libs defected to the shooters party.
On a side note Howard allegedly had to wear a bullet proof vest when addressing angry shooters.
If this occurred under a Labor government it would have been much stricter. Many elements in New Labor are idiologically opposed to guns and militarism.
Lobbie, effectively this ban IS the will of the (majority of) people. Understand this and you will have a better idea what can be achieved politically in regards to paintball and airsoft.

I have not got a problem wit the ban on assault weapons who the hell needs them, my problem is that you have gotten the gun license you have proved yourself worthy and responsible to own a paintball gun now why can't you mod it with milsim features or use modes like ramping or full auto, A gun license means you have proved you are a trustworthy responsible person...

[koala]

Relating to paintball, i agree that ramping should be allowed!! You never know when anyone wants do kick it up a bit and try out a top tornament overseas without being drilled... =D

But now a bit more serios... I think that people dont think on the fact of the gun being semi or full, but more in the fact of if it ends up in a random hand (stolen or something), how many people can she/he shot...

[Daggz]

Personally I would like to see airsoft legal in Aus, the BB guns look more like "real" guns than MilSim markers, then the authorities would have to let guns like the SP1 in otherwise it would be double standards.

I heard a strong rumour that the reason the replica style markers wouldn't be allowed in is because the general public can't tell the difference between them and real assault weapons and they might be used to rob banks and servo's.

My reply to this is that paintball markers are firearms they are all registered, the owners have a firearms licence, they are stored as firearms just like any high powered firearm. If a f@#ked up individual was going go to the effort to burgle into a building, break into a gun safe and steal a firearm to rob a servo wouldn't they go for a "real" firearm.

If some one decided to rob a bank with a marker they deserve a 9mm between the eyes, a non working replica can be purchased without a licence in SA these would be far easier to obtain than breaking into someones gun safe and would have the same effect as a MilSim marker, ie none.

Bring on airsoft, but I'll stay with paintball thanks.

[blunderboy]

liberalism was too hard a creed to follow. They take the easy way out and simply abrogate controversial minority rights.





Tone down the laguage dude ... paintballer no understandie

[lobbie111]

So what can be concluded in lamens terms (Crusader and House just yeah...) is that in order for paintball to get fixed up the whole of australia has to be fixed up, well, if your keen why not start a pollitical party

[SandmanIV]

because not many people are really into the whole milsim thing. even most of the bushballers in oz dont seem to bother.

[HouseholdDog]

So what can be concluded in lamens terms (Crusader and House just yeah...) is that in order for paintball to get fixed up the whole of australia has to be fixed up, well, if your keen why not start a pollitical party
If you want a say in politics, stack a branch and get your own MP in. Its 100 times easier. Or get 200 paintballers down in Tassie and you could get on a Senate ticket.
This starting a political party idea, is just nut job stuff. :lol:

Also because I am not actually for you idea either. :)

[lobbie111]

If you want a say in politics, stack a branch and get your own MP in. Its 100 times easier. Or get 200 paintballers down in Tassie and you could get on a Senate ticket.
This starting a political party idea, is just nut job stuff. :lol:

Also because I am not actually for you idea either. :)

You think i was being serious? :lol:

As wise men have spoken, leave pollitics to polliticians I'm here to play... (thanks sandman) also sandman, you may not be into bushball but i bet all of us would like a chance to ramp

[HouseholdDog]

Ok here's a challenge. Come up with as many reasons, as you can, for being allowed to own a Milsim marker. You can also put any reasons why you would want to own a milsim marker.
Put it in point form. This is open to everybody.

[koala]

Thats a hard one... because there is more negative feedback then positive in general about the hobbie...

In general with my experience, airsoft is just limited by the law... Everyone in the hobbie just pushes it to the max!! The more milsim, the better...

[Damo]

if you want to play army why not join up?

[SandmanIV]

cos they yell at you and make you run and stuff. i dont really see the need for ramping or milsim. like i said not many aussies are into milsim. even most of our bushballers go for minimalistic setup cos they want more gs then havin an ak-47 lookin gat or whatever. still dont understand the apeal of airsoft. i thought it was just for little kids. like the giant lego blocks they give you before your old enough not to eat normal lego. its like chasing your friends with a spud gun except you dont have to run around with a potato.

[lobbie111]

still dont understand the apeal of airsoft. i thought it was just for little kids. like the giant lego blocks they give you before your old enough not to eat normal lego. its like chasing your friends with a spud gun except you dont have to run around with a potato.

I have the same opinion, you can't actually expect it to be a sport when you can't even host competitions. Mil-sim can provide team distinctions and add to the atmosphere that paintball creates, Its fun in small amounts but not in large doses.

[HouseholdDog]

like the giant lego blocks they give you before your old enough not to eat normal lego. its like chasing your friends with a spud gun except you dont have to run around with a potato.
Cmon Sandman we all know that is why we play paintball. Its the same thing. Nothing wrong with that.

Paintball is an offbeat sport and always will be. Again nothing wrong with that. Its one of the best team sports around, however. You could have the best players in the world, in paintball, but still have the worst team.

Its the people who take it way too seriously that worry me. Not saying all Milsim guys do, not by a long shot, but they have a worrying element amongst them that do.

Its been an hour BTW. Where is my list of reasons for needing to own a Milsim marker. :lol:

Anyone remember the film Gotcha! BTW? It was the first time I heard about paintball.

[SandmanIV]

1/ cos agg is so last year. the new look is arnie.

2/ to get served faster at Mcdonalds.

3/to scare the crap out of door to door salesman.

4/to make me feel more like a man.

5/to combat terrorism.

[Pounder]

still dont understand the apeal of airsoft.

I felt the same. Then I shot Camo Kid with an airsoft pistol. It changed things...

[acc1]

This has been going on for a long time, Ive been watching airsoft australia and other sites waiting to see the news, and they are all waiting for it.. Ill be sure to go check out/ buy a few of the guns if it becomes legal again.

[Trapper]

The only reason i want this to go through is so we have a chance to break the paintball pistol laws (i want one for runnings around gords)

[Hideous]

the "looks military" argument is still going on in the federal courts.

remember at this stage for importing -if it "resembles" a real pistol (h)/machinegun(e) etc then they consider it that category H or E

If you could get a local manufacturer to make airsoft then we'd have some basis to argue.

Here in Vic we already have a paintball category handgun, but no one has attempted to get one through as you need a real handgun licence and I frankly can't be fk'd jumping through hoops for a shitty PB pistol.

I'd like to get PB mines cannons and mortars off E category licences so we can have some real fun.

[HouseholdDog]

Last time I saw Airsoft australia's website they said it was legal to own a (edit)98k replica. The reasons were, it is bolt action and does not resemble an automatic and it has a unique serial number.

I say keep the paintball/airsoft arguments separate.

Some of the airsoft guys are real wallys.

Carrying a complete vest with MOLLE and 25 pouches, when your gun just needs a small bag of pellets and possibly a battery. Give me a friggin break!

I can understand having a vest for paintball carrying a about 7 kilos of pods and tanks, sqeegies, cloths barrel bags etc. Airsoft stuff can be stuffed in a shirt pocket.

[Triggerhappy]

Last time I saw Airsoft australia's website they said it was legal to own a Car98 replica. The reasons were, it is bolt action and does not resemble an automatic.

I say keep the paintball/airsoft arguments separate.

Some of the airsoft guys are real wallys.

Carrying a complete vest with MOLLE and 25 pouches, when your gun just needs a small bag of pellets and possibly a battery. Give me a friggin break!

I can understand having a vest for paintball carrying a about 7 kilos of pods and tanks, sqeegies, cloths barrel bags etc. Airsoft stuff can be stuffed in a shirt pocket.



Amen dude amen!

[vonsplatt]

The reason the laws are so nonsensical and weird is that parliaments are infested with lawyers and teachers. Until we have engineers, scientists and other people capable of rational, analytical thinking running the country, don't expect to much logic or efficiency.

[HouseholdDog]

I'm not sure you really understand, how the Australian political system works though.

The Federal Government only has power over things, specifically mentioned in the Constitution. All other powers are in the hands of the states.

The Federal government, however, can have an influence over a lot of state issues though.

Airline policy is one area I know a little about. The federal government has no power to set rules for airlines in Australia or Airlines flying into Australia. The airlines weren't even around when the constitution was drafted.

So how can the Federal Government make rules about air routes and policy? The make airplanes a restricted import and impose a license condition on the carriers. Now they can make any rules they want, and if the company does not agree they can pull their license, and impound their planes.

This kind of stuff happens all the time. Its the mainstay of how the government works.

The other thing the feds do, though, is to trade off powers with the states. They also sign international agreements giving them more power.

So when you see a Federal pollie, saying that he has no responsibility over hospital waiting queues or water, he is absolutely right. Your neighbours cat has the same amount of responsibility for it as he does. Its the ones, who say they can do something about these problems, that you really should avoid.

Same thing with paintball markers. The government wants to influence gun policy by restricting imports. It makes sense. They want to set a baseline for what can be brought in, so if the States loosen their laws at least they can stymie it.

[acc1]

Last time I saw Airsoft australia's website they said it was legal to own a (edit)98k replica. The reasons were, it is bolt action and does not resemble an automatic and it has a unique serial number.

I say keep the paintball/airsoft arguments separate.

Some of the airsoft guys are real wallys.

Carrying a complete vest with MOLLE and 25 pouches, when your gun just needs a small bag of pellets and possibly a battery. Give me a friggin break!

I can understand having a vest for paintball carrying a about 7 kilos of pods and tanks, sqeegies, cloths barrel bags etc. Airsoft stuff can be stuffed in a shirt pocket.

They carry lota mags + batteries + tools + radio etc. It adds up.

[Valdor1]

Found this link yesterday. The representative for Airsoft Australia may be getting this legitament sport back to australia. I'll run 6mm paintball BB's in my "marker"...:lol:...

http://libertywhinge.com/2008/02/28/airsoft-to-become-legal-in-australia/

Wots happening with this, has it gone through? or polaticians still debating it.

[Hideous]

The States and Territories can make any laws they want about airsoft - problem always starts and stops at Federal Customs.

Just because something is legal in every state and territory does not mean you will get the items through customs.

Now and in the future Airsoft products will be banned from importation until you can get the Federal government to change the Customs Regulations.

Firstly airsoft toys look like firearms - and this is the problem - if it looks like a machine gun IT IS A MACHINE GUN according to customs and mosts States
NO IF's no BUT's.
If it is capable of automatic fire and in the shape of Ethan's head - firing nerf balls - IT IS A MACHINE GUN.

My experience is that even when you satisfy Federal Customs instructions and guidelines and it is obvious what you are importing is Legal - Customs will simply point out the obvious Prohibited Items clause where they can stop any import on the advice and guidlines of the Minister in charge.

Last import like that was skeleton style stocks for the Remington 700 rifles.
YES - the stock looks like the butt can be folded under the rifle ( looks but doesnt move ).
It satisfy's all requirements but Customs has informed me the first batch will be my last batch (100) import as it "looks" bad.

I wish you well in your dream of Airsoft - but it's never going to happen unless you can get the Federal customs Regulations fixed.
Best you can hope for is like pre 2003 when we somehow "found" semi auto paintball markers in the country when importation was banned.

Then you will may have to explain to the police where they came from when they get registered and serial numbered at the gun dealers once you get a licence ( what category ).
And where then can you use them ?

It's then airsoft not paintball so then you have to organise an AIRsoft Activity Area. This will be a fun time getting the Police involved.

I do wish you well - considering paintball is legal in NT just this year - you just can't own paintball overalls, goggles etc., airsoft in this case is just a dream.

Good luck !

[joshlamb]

well, ive read the whole post, and here is my 2 cents worth,
there is no "real" reason to own a mil sim marker, however, there are militrilistic types out there who like to "play army" we call them chocko's, and you get the odd paintballer as well, while it is wonderful that you can get a marker that takes magazines and looks just like a real m4 or styer or m60 or whatever, the fact of the matter is, this isnt america, and americans arent the brightest bunch now are they, you could argue back and forth the pros and cons of this sport till the cows come home, but if you play paintball and you want ot play airsoft, your in for a shock, if you have to change mag's say every thirty rounds, and you carry, say 15 mags ( going off frontline infantry requirements here) your carrying 450 rounds, now ive seen some of you guys shoot, that give you 30 secs of game time, before your out of ammo, thats if they ever allowed full auto,i think on the face of things, in this day and age, there is no requirement for airsoft, people who know me are probly collecting there jaws about now, im a fan of all things that go bang, ive shot the some of the biggest guns we have in australia, short of tanks and artillery peices, they dont interest me so much, too hard to clean.

legally you can hold up a bank with a water pistol, if you produce what "appears" to be a firearm, i dont care if its bright pink, the teller hits her little button and your day is ruined, its that simple, you dont even need a firearm to hold up a bank, a slip of paper saying i have a bomb hand over the moneyz is going to have the same result, so yes i hear you say, that mutes the point of them having a firearm in the first place, true, they do cancel each other out, but think of it this way, why do you want to play army's for? what do you gain out of doing it? you said before you dont want to join up because you get yelled at and have to run, last time i played paintball, i yelled till i had no voice and ran far anough to get me out of breath ( i run 10km's at work for a casual jog ). in point form you could argue a couple of points to owning/playing airsoft.
. accuracy
. distance of firing
. authenticity
. cost
on the down side to all this of course is the fact that its no longer a "paintball marker" it is in fact a firearm, no if buts or maybe's, i can assure you, anything that has moving parts, and some airsoft guns have charge's like a real bullet, its fired at a lower charge rate thus reducing the velocity and impact, it is a firearm, you cant legally run around shooting each other with firearms, i can assure you its just not as much fun as you might think. and all this before we even look into creating a working field, ask the proprieters or your local paintball field what insurance is like, its a bloody nightmare, imagine what there going to say when you explain to them you got airsoft and your shooting each other with fire arms, not going to pretty or cheap, then you have to have the field at least 5km from the nearest habitable establishment or some crap like that, normally a firearms trace is 1.5 x the furthest distance a projectile can go, so your now saying, thats sweet, its not too far, but you have esentially had to open a firearms range, so your going to need a qualifed firearms range instructer/guy to run the rock show, so you can continue down this path, figuring out the legalities of what you can and cant do on a firearms range, and what the cost asociated with that endevour might be. and then at the end of the day, old matey at customs who didnt get laid last night, and his having a shite day cause his daughters run off with the druggo from down the road see's your new shiney gun come in, opens the box, and theres a replica m4, 4 magazines all shiney and he says WTF calls the feds,and your explaining what it is that you've tried to import, and how it works, and they say no thus setting the precidence for all future imports. the average john citizen does not want the gun nut down the road who always wears cams and boots owning or using in anyway a wpn capable of firing "realistic" projectiles even if it is for fun with his mates even though its just cause he doesnt "understand" the sport, its a fact of life that is going to happen.

for those of you who want ramping, pft, learn to shoot, have a good look at the americans and there xball ramping, they pull the trigger a couple of times and hold the trigger flat and it auto fires, wheres the trigger skill in that, even i could do that,there is no requirement to have to shoot anymore then 15 bps in a tourny, im not claiming to be brilliant, everyone knows im not, but its about the skill of the shooter, ramping capped at 15bps is no match for a seasoned pro who can shoot 18bps cause he's trained his body to do that, less ramping more training will solve that issue.

my final note is simply this, ive played full auto sup air here in aus, it doesnt hurt, its good fun, and if you want to do it www.defencejobs.gov.au you do the hard work to get to do it like the rest of us.

[schrammy79]

here, here.

[Rory]

airsopft is gay...

my evidence... refer to this link which was previously posted a while ago...

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=Ex7A37f_QIo

[JagerCoRps]

well, ive read the whole post, and here is my 2 cents worth,
there is no "real" reason to own a mil sim marker, however, there are militrilistic types out there who like to "play army" we call them chocko's, and you get the odd paintballer as well, while it is wonderful that you can get a marker that takes magazines and looks just like a real m4 or styer or m60 or whatever, the fact of the matter is, this isnt america, and americans arent the brightest bunch now are they, you could argue back and forth the pros and cons of this sport till the cows come home, but if you play paintball and you want ot play airsoft, your in for a shock, if you have to change mag's say every thirty rounds, and you carry, say 15 mags ( going off frontline infantry requirements here) your carrying 450 rounds, now ive seen some of you guys shoot, that give you 30 secs of game time, before your out of ammo, thats if they ever allowed full auto,i think on the face of things, in this day and age, there is no requirement for airsoft, people who know me are probly collecting there jaws about now, im a fan of all things that go bang, ive shot the some of the biggest guns we have in australia, short of tanks and artillery peices, they dont interest me so much, too hard to clean.

legally you can hold up a bank with a water pistol, if you produce what "appears" to be a firearm, i dont care if its bright pink, the teller hits her little button and your day is ruined, its that simple, you dont even need a firearm to hold up a bank, a slip of paper saying i have a bomb hand over the moneyz is going to have the same result, so yes i hear you say, that mutes the point of them having a firearm in the first place, true, they do cancel each other out, but think of it this way, why do you want to play army's for? what do you gain out of doing it? you said before you dont want to join up because you get yelled at and have to run, last time i played paintball, i yelled till i had no voice and ran far anough to get me out of breath ( i run 10km's at work for a casual jog ). in point form you could argue a couple of points to owning/playing airsoft.
. accuracy
. distance of firing
. authenticity
. cost
on the down side to all this of course is the fact that its no longer a "paintball marker" it is in fact a firearm, no if buts or maybe's, i can assure you, anything that has moving parts, and some airsoft guns have charge's like a real bullet, its fired at a lower charge rate thus reducing the velocity and impact, it is a firearm, you cant legally run around shooting each other with firearms, i can assure you its just not as much fun as you might think. and all this before we even look into creating a working field, ask the proprieters or your local paintball field what insurance is like, its a bloody nightmare, imagine what there going to say when you explain to them you got airsoft and your shooting each other with fire arms, not going to pretty or cheap, then you have to have the field at least 5km from the nearest habitable establishment or some crap like that, normally a firearms trace is 1.5 x the furthest distance a projectile can go, so your now saying, thats sweet, its not too far, but you have esentially had to open a firearms range, so your going to need a qualifed firearms range instructer/guy to run the rock show, so you can continue down this path, figuring out the legalities of what you can and cant do on a firearms range, and what the cost asociated with that endevour might be. and then at the end of the day, old matey at customs who didnt get laid last night, and his having a shite day cause his daughters run off with the druggo from down the road see's your new shiney gun come in, opens the box, and theres a replica m4, 4 magazines all shiney and he says WTF calls the feds,and your explaining what it is that you've tried to import, and how it works, and they say no thus setting the precidence for all future imports. the average john citizen does not want the gun nut down the road who always wears cams and boots owning or using in anyway a wpn capable of firing "realistic" projectiles even if it is for fun with his mates even though its just cause he doesnt "understand" the sport, its a fact of life that is going to happen.

for those of you who want ramping, pft, learn to shoot, have a good look at the americans and there xball ramping, they pull the trigger a couple of times and hold the trigger flat and it auto fires, wheres the trigger skill in that, even i could do that,there is no requirement to have to shoot anymore then 15 bps in a tourny, im not claiming to be brilliant, everyone knows im not, but its about the skill of the shooter, ramping capped at 15bps is no match for a seasoned pro who can shoot 18bps cause he's trained his body to do that, less ramping more training will solve that issue.

my final note is simply this, ive played full auto sup air here in aus, it doesnt hurt, its good fun, and if you want to do it www.defencejobs.gov.au you do the hard work to get to do it like the rest of us.

joshlamb for your info
on the down side to all this of course is the fact that its no longer a "paintball marker" it is in fact a firearm a paintball marker is classified as a firearm by customs under the act, which is probably why we importers have to complete all the necessary paperwork before we can import....B709A certificate comes to mind, Firearms Dealers Lic is another as well


my final note is simply this, ive played full auto sup air here in aus, it doesnt hurt, its good fun also Fully Auto paint markers (firearms) are illegal in this country

Just some points to remember next time matey pops..................

[Private Soul]

Having just arrived from the US, I can honestly offer you an opinion on "Airsoft".

Basically, I use(d) bb guns as small game eradicators. Damon would attest. We'd sit out on the porch, drink a couple of buds, and pot shot the field squirrels and vermin we saw. damn rats that big you wouldn't know.

they are for all intent a real gun. small enough slug that you really did pop something like that. I never shot a human with my red ryder.

and i'd never want to . coz you could be arrested for intent for just having the codga slung.

Don't count on getting anything looking like a real gun down here. It was hard enough importing my freaking ion with what your police enforce.

Any whoosie. dats my dime

[Damon Pond]

'Sup doobie. i'd give you a :bundy: for joining, but you'd take the box.

[SPOOK_42]

speaking for myself and a few of my friends, we're into the milsim thing (no we're not rambo wannabes, he never had a beer gut!) imo the reasons bushballers in oz don't bother is
a: anytime we do we're labelled as wannabe rambos
b: the majority of poli's and police think we're terrorist training camps
c: its a very fine knife edge we don'nt want to risk them turning round and banning even more than they already have. ie i brought in 3 kingman mr1's for some of my guys as a bunch of f**k around markers they (customs) notified me that because the stock was not a part of the marker but in the same packet it was classed as detachable/collapsable, too militaristic and all three were subsequently destroyed

so we're not apathetic, we're just sick of being screwed everytime

[joshlamb]

joshlamb for your info



[COLOR="Red"]my final note is simply this, ive played full auto sup air here in aus, it doesnt hurt, its good fun also Fully Auto paint markers (firearms) are illegal in this country

Just some points to remember next time matey pops..................

Sorry, i ment full auto air soft, not sup air, and if your in the right buisness, then you can play full auto, one day if we catch up ill explain how.

[Tayo]

Airsoft is for people who can't join the army/police and want to play with guns without getting killed.
Paintball is a sport.

[acc1]

And every airsoft player in the world would probably say the opposite to that.

[johnny_1shoulde]

airsoft sounds like ghey.
no offence to those that like it but seriously...join the army reserves...playing armies ended a while ago

[koala]

I was an airsoft player, but at the same time i played paintball... And the only thing that i can really say is that airsoft is just a hobbie and always will be... Its just a cheap alternative to shoot your friends...

[Nozza]

Hi am new to this forum. I live in QLD.

The fact that airsoft is banned and there are restrictions on Paintball markers makes my blood boil. The reason why Airsoft is banned according to the government is because they look like real guns. That is just rubbish, you cannot ban something for looking like the real thing. That is like banning a toyota sports car becasue it looks like a ferrari. The howard govermnent decided to crack down on guns. I support the decision to ban automatic weapons that can kill people however airsoft cannot. The average person for day to day life does not need a gun however they should have the right to own one as this is a free country.

I believe that you should be able to buy airsoft and paintball guns without a licence once you turn 18. You cannot ban something because as howard said "I hate guns". It is not and can never be a lethal weapon. Like I said before you cannot under law ban something becasue it looks dangerous. Airsoft is in fact one fo the safest sports in the world, because it is very very difficult to sustain a serious injury.

Playing rugby you can get a boot int he head, you can be coathangered you can be knocked unconcious and so it continues. You could get a brain hemorage and die.

Playing cricekt for many years i have sustained injuries from balls hitting me at well above 120 kph. If you get hit in the head without a helmet on you can be killed

How are you to get injured in airsoft? Eye protection is compulsary, you wear camo gear and as such when you get shot you cannot get hurt. You may trip over your own feet and then fall to the ground but whose fault is that


Everybody should have the right to purchase and use airsoft guns, now if somebody who has one and walks into a bank and holds it up they shuld get the exact same punishment as if it was a real gun.

THe problem is the government has been able to ban so many of our civil liberties
I mean they have put restictions on, hitting golf balls in parks, kicking footballs in parks, hitting sixes in cricket, putting a blowup above ground pool in your backgarden, driving a remotely powerful car under the age of 21 or whatever ludicrest age tehy have made it and so much more. Want to buy spray paint, i am sorry you need proof of age. You want to smoke near a building? I am sorry but you carnt. We are resticting our society because some people do the wrong thing. They think that becasue one person abuses the system they shuld change it. This is a direct blow to our civil libities that we are meant to have.

So in my view we should ban computes because they can be used for expressing opinion, or maybe even illegal activies, we should then ban cars as they can be dangerous, ban buildings as they can fall down on top of people, ban knives as they can cut people, ban aeroplans as they crash, ban bikes as people can hurt themselves and the list goes on and on.

Our country is not wrapped up in political red tape and it is just getting worse.

[zuk]

Hi am new to this forum. I live in QLD.

The fact that airsoft is banned and there are restrictions on Paintball markers makes my blood boil. The reason why Airsoft is banned according to the government is because they look like real guns. That is just rubbish, you cannot ban something for looking like the real thing. That is like banning a toyota sports car becasue it looks like a ferrari. The howard govermnent decided to crack down on guns. I support the decision to ban automatic weapons that can kill people however airsoft cannot. The average person for day to day life does not need a gun however they should have the right to own one as this is a free country.

I believe that you should be able to buy airsoft and paintball guns without a licence once you turn 18. You cannot ban something because as howard said "I hate guns". It is not and can never be a lethal weapon. Like I said before you cannot under law ban something becasue it looks dangerous. Airsoft is in fact one fo the safest sports in the world, because it is very very difficult to sustain a serious injury.

Playing rugby you can get a boot int he head, you can be coathangered you can be knocked unconcious and so it continues. You could get a brain hemorage and die.

Playing cricekt for many years i have sustained injuries from balls hitting me at well above 120 kph. If you get hit in the head without a helmet on you can be killed

How are you to get injured in airsoft? Eye protection is compulsary, you wear camo gear and as such when you get shot you cannot get hurt. You may trip over your own feet and then fall to the ground but whose fault is that


Everybody should have the right to purchase and use airsoft guns, now if somebody who has one and walks into a bank and holds it up they shuld get the exact same punishment as if it was a real gun.

THe problem is the government has been able to ban so many of our civil liberties
I mean they have put restictions on, hitting golf balls in parks, kicking footballs in parks, hitting sixes in cricket, putting a blowup above ground pool in your backgarden, driving a remotely powerful car under the age of 21 or whatever ludicrest age tehy have made it and so much more. Want to buy spray paint, i am sorry you need proof of age. You want to smoke near a building? I am sorry but you carnt. We are resticting our society because some people do the wrong thing. They think that becasue one person abuses the system they shuld change it. This is a direct blow to our civil libities that we are meant to have.

So in my view we should ban computes because they can be used for expressing opinion, or maybe even illegal activies, we should then ban cars as they can be dangerous, ban buildings as they can fall down on top of people, ban knives as they can cut people, ban aeroplans as they crash, ban bikes as people can hurt themselves and the list goes on and on.

Our country is not wrapped up in political red tape and it is just getting worse.


I sort of get why you are annoyed.. Being told you can't do something sucks..

But I understand and believe Airsoft or even paintball guns that look like a real firearm shouldnt be allowed..

There would be way too many cases of armed robberys etc.

- Have you met any P platters that have wrapped their car around a pole?
I do and i do not think they should be able to drive Skylines etc.



This is all my opinion though and I am not having a dig at your post. Just my opinion..

[Nozza]

Zuc

It is fine to have your own opinion as that is what democracy is all about.

In terms of armed robbies... If you were to use an airsoft gun in a robbery then you should get the exact same punishment as if you used a real gun. The argurement over this is ludacrest as if you rob a bank with a knife, gun, replica, bomb or guitar you should get the same punishment.

I belive i should be able to drive whatever car i want, if i have enough money to drive a ferrari (which i dont btw) then i should be able to. Remember it is not the cars fault if they wrap themselvers around a tree. Remember too that if you are in a ferrari driving at 180km and you crash it is the EXACT same as if you drive in a nissan micra at 180km. The speed does not change because one is more powerful

[SandmanIV]

airsofts ghey anyway. play paintball. the colours are prettier.

[bloodfiredeath]

you should have to have some kind of licence to buy paint markers, after all they can still kill someone. Markers need to be regulated otherwise all your crims and crazies are going to grab them and do stupid sh*t causing them to all be banned. Anything stupid that someone does with a paintball marker reflects on us all badly.

[Blobby]

hey guess what....they do.......if you got a paintball marker and you dont have a licence they go turn your shit in to the nearest police station before you reflect badly on us all.....

[Hideous]

and we still dont care 2c about airsoft. It was hard enough getting paintball back in Victoria using bright shiney markers that dont vaguely look military

[Nozza]

Not too many people use paintball markers as a deadly weapon as knives are easier to get! lol

Airsoft can never be letal and paintball is not your crims first choice of weapon!

[SAMMYBOY]

This is a paintball forum i thought
go start a air soft forum

[koala]

Paintballers and Airsofters have always been the biggest rivals and its not now that its going to change!!

[acc1]

This is a paintball forum i thought
go start a air soft forum

Im pretty sure 70% of the threads/ topics here arent paintball related, so start copying and pasting that in all the others.. See you in a few days... when your done.

[Damo]

Im pretty sure 70% of the threads/ topics here arent paintball related, so start copying and pasting that in all the others.. See you in a few days... when your done.

being a paintball forum i feel alot more than 70% are paintball related.... do you play paintball??? :confused:

[acc1]

being a paintball forum i feel alot more than 70% are paintball related.... do you play paintball??? :confused:

Maybe I miss judged by 10%..

Lets say its 60%.

Or 50% just to be sure.

[bloodfiredeath]

hey guess what....they do.......if you got a paintball marker and you dont have a licence they go turn your shit in to the nearest police station before you reflect badly on us all.....

thats wat im saying, just because you turn 18 doesnt mean sh*t, theres a good reason for needing a llicence.

[Mike]

Paintballers and Airsofters have always been the biggest rivals and its not now that its going to change!!

I am not sure why this is so.... To be honest if we could own all those cool looking airsoft guns, I would own a few, I am not sure if I would play airsoft though, but definately I would try to get many different gats, they are really cool... And I am sure that many other paintballers here would own them too....:D

[Nozza]

With the registration thing this is what i think should happen.

You walk into an airsoft or paintball store, (which when fully legalised will be there) and buy the gun or marker you want. lets just say i purchase a m16 assult rifle with an orange tip like the USA.

I then give the man in the shop my Credit card and Drivers licence and they type in your name and current address so forward. This is to make sure that people with a serious criminal history do not get their hands on them (ie if you have been charged with any form of assult or worse) so getting tickets for speeding obviosly does not count!


I give them my 50 bucks and i then walk out of the store. I take that M16 along to my local cop shop. I walk in with it IN THE BOX not brandishing it! lol

You give them the box and they see it is an M16 with the registration on the outside of tthe box which is then put into their database. So if that is found to hyave been in a robbery they can do the same as if it was a real gun. Buy as many as you want no questions asked. So if you walk in with 10 of them you do not have to fill in about 20 forms saying you are a good citizen who will not go off and shoot everybody. Cus the background check has been done already!

and you walk out and have fun with your toy!

So the simple steps are

1) Give proof of identity
2) Give Cops the new box with everything in it, dont open it
3) It gets registered
4) HAVE FUN

This applies for paintball markers as well as both are NON LETHAL. (dont give me the oh one in a million shot when you are drunk that hits you in the temple 10 times and then you have a brain hemorage thing) They are both non lethal and should be treated as "dangerous toys"

What do you guys think of my licencing laws on dangerous toys licence

[Blobby]

yawn

[Rainman]

Now you have done it!:thumbsdow You gone and woke Blobby up!:hammer:

[zuk]

PERSONALLY..

I dont think this is worth talking about.. This forum if for paintball not 'airsoft'.

I say close this thread.

This is my opinion.


:rant:

[acc1]

Might as well delete all the off topic forum section as none of it has nothin to do with paintball.

[johnny_1shoulde]

just put it in the spam or off topic section.then all the guys that wanna talk about it can. and those that dont wanna dont have 2.
not worthy of announcements though imo since its not paintball.im sure there is sites for airsoft anyway.

[WAH11]

With the registration thing this is what i think should happen.

You walk into an airsoft or paintball store, (which when fully legalised will be there) and buy the gun or marker you want. lets just say i purchase a m16 assult rifle with an orange tip like the USA.

I then give the man in the shop my Credit card and Drivers licence and they type in your name and current address so forward. This is to make sure that people with a serious criminal history do not get their hands on them (ie if you have been charged with any form of assult or worse) so getting tickets for speeding obviosly does not count!


I give them my 50 bucks and i then walk out of the store. I take that M16 along to my local cop shop. I walk in with it IN THE BOX not brandishing it! lol

You give them the box and they see it is an M16 with the registration on the outside of tthe box which is then put into their database. So if that is found to hyave been in a robbery they can do the same as if it was a real gun. Buy as many as you want no questions asked. So if you walk in with 10 of them you do not have to fill in about 20 forms saying you are a good citizen who will not go off and shoot everybody. Cus the background check has been done already!

and you walk out and have fun with your toy!

So the simple steps are

1) Give proof of identity
2) Give Cops the new box with everything in it, dont open it
3) It gets registered
4) HAVE FUN

This applies for paintball markers as well as both are NON LETHAL. (dont give me the oh one in a million shot when you are drunk that hits you in the temple 10 times and then you have a brain hemorage thing) They are both non lethal and should be treated as "dangerous toys"

What do you guys think of my licencing laws on dangerous toys licence

Bloddy Hell NOZZA,

Its taken years to get everyone to believe that Queenslanders aren't just brainless gun totting rednecks. then you come along and in just 4 posts destroy all the years of hard work.:bow:

[Chief Wiggum]

With the registration thing this is what i think should happen.

You walk into an airsoft or paintball store, (which when fully legalised will be there) and buy the gun or marker you want. lets just say i purchase a m16 assult rifle with an orange tip like the USA.

Like this one, yeah I am sure they will make this legal.

[Chief Wiggum]

Better yet ...

[Hideous]

keep dreaming :) you will need to change the permanent public servants who run Federal customs

[Nozza]

Ok guys past december, any news as i cannot find anything!

[Damon Pond]

Better yet ...

Bullpup P90 replica. Plays just like an A5, commando stock with Co2 powerlet adaption.

in other words...
(C)ritically (R)epulsive and (A)wfully (P)ornographic

slight off ; I always wanted to know. BB's come in many shapes. some are round and some are pointed to give aerodynamics. Is there a magazine that loads the pointed bbs in their aero position, or is it just gravity fed and luck of the draw.

[Blobby]

wtf????^^^^

[SAMMYBOY]

Ok guys past december, any news as i cannot find anything!

is this the only reason you come to bill paintball for cause lets face it its a paintball forum not airsoft why dont you go start a airsift forum as we dont care

[koala]

Bullpup P90 replica. Plays just like an A5, commando stock with Co2 powerlet adaption.

in other words...
(C)ritically (R)epulsive and (A)wfully (P)ornographic

slight off ; I always wanted to know. BB's come in many shapes. some are round and some are pointed to give aerodynamics. Is there a magazine that loads the pointed bbs in their aero position, or is it just gravity fed and luck of the draw.

BB's in many shapes?? I have only heard of 6mm/8mm round shape ones in the years that i played in... The only thing that might be strange to many is the existence of glass bb's witch, believe it or not, they aren't used for target practice but yes for skirmishing... :no:

[SAMMYBOY]

Anyone shoots glass at me ill stab them

[koala]

Anyone shoots glass at me ill stab them
Same here

[SniperWolf]

does it hurt more than paintball? never been shot with bb's before...

if they pass these laws, paintball got seriously F**** over.

[koala]

does it hurt more than paintball? never been shot with bb's before...

if they pass these laws, paintball got seriously F**** over.

BB's hurt less then paintballs due to most of the shots being from far out... But a close shot can kinda sting, but way less then a paintball... The only bad thing about bb's is that if the legal muzzle output is over +-375fps, it can go thru bare skin... :thumbsdow

[Damon Pond]

i may be confusing air rifles and bb guns. But i went to queensland gun exchange on saturday. There i saw little brass projectiles that kind of looked like ( <>< ) that rough image. Now if those can be fired out of both those weapon types, then i think i would like to look at the magazine they are chambered in.

[encarnate]

15570

15571

i know what projectiles you're talking about... not sure they can be fired out of a bb gun... but someone would have tried...

[acc1]

^ that is a slug gun.. / air rifle pellet. They are lead.. Dunno if ive ever used brass ones before...... And they usually single shot rifles only.

They will not fire well out of a bb gun. Would not be nearly as powerful.. Unless customized. They are heavier then bb's and not sure if they are larger as well? Never had a bb gun.. But have spent a few yrs shooting air rifles at club and competition.

[Damo]

http://www.playextremesports.com/images/paintball_image.jpg

these are paintballs... fired from a paintball marker... you should all try it some time...:thumbsup:

[nos4ag]

acc1 - Slug/Air Rifle pellets CANNOT be fired out of airsoft pistols, rilfes or SMG's. Period :)

SniperWolf - Having owned airsoft in the past, I can say that YES they do hurt when fired up close at someone, but why on earth would someone fire an airsoft gun at a person that close, to even want to break through bare skin is even beyond me :( I guess some people are fairly wack!

These laws wont pass, and I will bet my left (very large...hehe) testicle to that fact!! If these laws pass.....I will legally change my name to Max Power!! :)

[koala]

those are for air rifles... they dnt come in 6mm... only 4.5, 5.5, 6.4 and a couple more that doesn't match the airsoft barrel... And its not possible to shoot it out of an airsoft rifle cos it has a hop up system in its way... only if u fool around with the gun making it possible...


SniperWolf - Having owned airsoft in the past, I can say that YES they do hurt when fired up close at someone, but why on earth would someone fire an airsoft gun at a person that close, to even want to break through bare skin is even beyond me I guess some people are fairly wack!

There is always the stupid no0b that is always in a room completely surrounded by guys and never wants to accept the "surrender" proposed like 5meters away behind a wall... I guess people teach em the hard way... :rant:

[Nozza]

The thing is though guys we should not be making laws for the very very small minority. We disposed of guns in 1996 after one lunatic went on a shooting rampage. I agree all full auto guns should be banned for sale to the general public. Stats done show that since 1996 when the new gunlaws were brought in the death toll because of guns has not gone down. As a matter of fact the number of deaths has increased. All it was was a knee jerk reaction by a new government that was wronging trying to assert its power.

It is like recently in the Northern Territory governement had a brain wave deciding to get rid of no speed limits on its roads. What happens? In no time at all the death and accident toll doubles!!!!! The sensible thing would have been just to put the laws back. But no because we are being governened by morons. Trying to change laws that DO NO NEED CHANGING.

I wish that you could just buy airsoft liek you do in the US without a licence. pretty much nobody uses them for robberies. Paintball the same. Non lethal sporting equiptment is all they are.

God knows why governmetns are allowed to change laws involving things they know nothing about. Like me makign decisions on how neclear powerplants. Just disgraceful

[MykeMichail]

My father told me recently about how he bought a rifle at a store, sold it to a mate, who sold it to a shop keeper, who my dad bought it back off, who then sold it to another mate, but not before cleaning the cobwebs out of the barrel. This was a rifle which could kill a person. This was almost 40 years ago now. No paper work was exchanged. Police never contacted. Safes never installed. No licencing fees. No application fees. And apparently it was all perfectly legal. We've gone from that, to this, in 40 years.

In another 20 years they'll be blunting our steak knifes.

[Chief Wiggum]

I wish that you could just buy airsoft liek you do in the US without a licence. pretty much nobody uses them for robberies. Paintball the same. Non lethal sporting equiptment is all they are.

Bad idea. Lets be like Texas and all have real guns. Here is an idea, move to the US and play as much airsoft as you like.

I dont want children running around the streets playing "army" with what looks like a real S&W pistol. Not what we need or want in our country I feel.

[SAMMYBOY]

To true chief

i think these are a gun that could be taken to the next level

and used for hold up drive-bys crime in general

some dude will get shot with a real gun by mistake when he gets seen running around

doesn't make me warm an fuzzy at all

[Daggz]

When I was a kid we had metal die cast revolvers that fired caps, they looked like real handguns. My best mate had one that looked like a browning semi-auto, it made him popular at school, even the teachers liked it!

I had my first semi-auto .22 at the age of 12, I received a .22 over a 4.10 combo for my 11th birthday.

point;
out of all my mates that have died over the years, one died of cancer (didn't smoke) the rest died in motor vehicle accidents, not one was taken from me by a firearm or anything that resembles a firearm.

I do not support airsoft, but, I will not bag them, they made the mistake of posting on a paintball forum their only crime.

Slowly but surely our rights as citizens have been and still are being eroded, we are still treated as convicts in a convict colony.

The Feds ban import of curtain paintball markers because they look like real firearms, well guess what, they are licensed as real firearms.

It seems to me that in this day and age if people don't understand or dislike something their only answer is to ban it.

If people think that airsoft is bad and not good to be associated with the paintball industry then why wasn't this thread left to die a quiet death.

[Commy]

Well said. People that support airsoft are getting the same type comments that certain politicians make about paintball here. "Oh but it's encouraging voilence, oh they look like real guns"

What's to stop them from being registered and restricted just like paintball markers? Paintball markers have just as much potential to be abused, but because it's handled responsibly and restricted. They aren't.

I sure as hell wouldn't want kids to have replica toys either, but I think it's a little hypocritical to say it's stupid and dangerous but at the same time complain about the way the government bans A5 mods because they "look too real"

I'm more than happy with paintball, but the way the government handles firearms law makes me sick sometimes.

[Chief Wiggum]

For the record, I dont think airsoft should be banned, and in SA it isnt, you just need a H class (pistol) licence to own one. That way a kid cant get a hold of one. In days gone by, you could get an airsoft pistol at the Royal Show, and it was classed as a toy. That is a silly thing to do because I had "people I knew" that owned one and used to drive around the neighbourhood threatening people. Might seem funny but a member of the public having a bb gun pointed at them is just as traumatised as having a real gun pointed at them. So long as it is regulated there isnt a problem. I do believe that bb guns have clubs and competition shooting in US.

End of the day if it came to a vote, more people would vote to ban em than have em, so be careful how loud you rant.

[Daggz]

And here was I operating under the delusion that I lived in a democratic country, oh fool me!

[Blobby]

End of the day if it came to a vote, more people would vote to ban em than have em, so be careful how loud you rant.


And here was I operating under the delusion that I lived in a democratic country, oh fool me!

now i know i didnt go to the university and them other edumacational places but i thought that was what a democratic country was.....

[HouseholdDog]

Guys before you get carried away...

The whole ban on replica firearms and military markers etc, was actually in response to a massive public outcry after Port Arthur.

Possibly a few of the people posting on this forum may not remember the whole thing, but I was working in politics at the time, and I certainly do.

Howard did not want to take action against the states, but a massive tide of public outrage forced his hand.

The laws you have now are a direct result of public opinion. They are probably the most "democratic" set of laws passed in recent memory. They are not, however, very "libertarian".

If you really think its undemocratic, get a petition circulating. Not an online petition BTW, a real one ;)

[Hideous]

And here was I operating under the delusion that I lived in a democratic country, oh fool me!

Take your drugs and sit in the corner !

[Daggz]

now i know i didnt go to the university and them other edumacational places but i thought that was what a democratic country was.....

Nah Blobby I was referring to the "be careful how loud you rant" comment.

[SandmanIV]

noones told me what airsoft the sport is yet......i think my spud gun analogy stands.

[Nozza]

My father told me recently about how he bought a rifle at a store, sold it to a mate, who sold it to a shop keeper, who my dad bought it back off, who then sold it to another mate, but not before cleaning the cobwebs out of the barrel. This was a rifle which could kill a person. This was almost 40 years ago now. No paper work was exchanged. Police never contacted. Safes never installed. No licencing fees. No application fees. And apparently it was all perfectly legal. We've gone from that, to this, in 40 years.

In another 20 years they'll be blunting our steak knifes.

Exactly, and nobody was injured, just shot for fun

Dont be silly mate. They will not be blunting our steak knives. Thats just ludicrest. Steak knives and knives in general will be banned by then.

We will be blunting our soft plastic spoons.

[Blobby]

holy crap man.....put the spoon down......NOW......you might hurt someone

[Chief Wiggum]

Dont run with that spoon in your mouth.

[webby]

Exactly, and nobody was injured, just shot for fun

Dont be silly mate. They will not be blunting our steak knives. Thats just ludicrest. Steak knives and knives in general will be banned by then.

We will be blunting our soft plastic spoons.

no steak knives......... blunt plastic spoons:eek:

dont let them know they invented forks:lol:

[SwAmP tHiNg]

and add to the list pencil sharpeners and chop sticks !!!

[Rainman]

Close!

[Damon Pond]

Dont run with that spoon in your mouth.

There is no spoon.
I was watching that movie all last night. Good times.

[redomatic]

so when are we getting those cute little toys that shoot little yellow balls?

(I assume they are yellow...)

[Damo]

so when are we getting those cute little toys that shoot little yellow balls?

(I assume they are yellow...)

if your little balls are yellow, something is wrong :yes:

[Rainman]

December is over and this thread should be terminated!

[SAMMYBOY]

December is over and this thread should be terminated!

I CONCUR:hammer:

[vonsplatt]

I just got back from a holiday in New Zealand. Air soft pistols that looked realistic were for sale to anyone over 18 years old. Apparently the country has not collapsed, because of this. My 10 year old daughter shot a deer with a 243 rifle. My 12 year old daughter shot a pig and a goat. All perfectly legal.

[Chief Wiggum]

December is over and this thread should be terminated!

Maybe they mean December this year :)

[acc1]

I just got back from a holiday in New Zealand. Air soft pistols that looked realistic were for sale to anyone over 18 years old. Apparently the country has not collapsed, because of this. My 10 year old daughter shot a deer with a 243 rifle. My 12 year old daughter shot a pig and a goat. All perfectly legal.

I was there in march, Love it! Its awesome place if you like Australia but prefer better gun laws, as its an awesome place. I looked at the air pistols you speak of, every new town we went to (ive been to NZ many times before) i always visit the gun shops and drool at what they have sitting on the shelves lol. I was going to buy an air pistol for a few hundred $ and leave it at my grandma's but she still had my dad's air rifle from 40 years ago when he was a boy and still works fine so I used it instead and just grabbed a 500 tin of pellets.. The tin was empty in less than 2 weeks lol :D