SA Firearms Legislative Reform

[Chief Wiggum]

Ok everyone, here is our chance.

The Minister for Police has deligated the South Australia Police with the responsibility of reviewing the Firearms Act 1977 and regulations, in consoltation with community of South Australia.

The purpose of this reform is to ensure the act reflects the needs of the community, streamlines admin process and contributes to the establishment of a national framework for firearms control.

Any person or group (SAPPA etc) wishing to make a submission should do so in writing by Dec 1. Send by email to sapol.firearmsbranch@police.sa.gov.au or by mail to;

The Firearms Legislative Reform Project Team
GPO Box 1539
ADELAIDE SA 5001

This is our chance. For all those that bitch and moan about the legislation, here is your chance to do something about it. If you dont write in, then quit the moaning.

Time we stand united and put our views across. We need a committee that sits down and drafts a letter to the police and get the ball rolling.

Any takers, I am one.

[I.R.Three]

yeah I heard about this.. Im gonna put something in fo sho

[turkish]

should see if the this could be turned into something nationwide.... wouldnt be a bad idea to see if after SA do this that the other states follow suit and have something like this....

[Rory]

we need to get wots in on dis action

[Hornet Driver]

Good luck guys. We will all be watching with great anticipation of the results.:thumbsup:

[Duck!]

Good luck guys. We will all be watching with great anticipation of the results.:thumbsup:

Hell yeah ... :thumbsup:

[JagerCoRps]

Ok everyone, here is our chance.

The Minister for Police has deligated the South Australia Police with the responsibility of reviewing the Firearms Act 1977 and regulations, in consoltation with community of South Australia.

The purpose of this reform is to ensure the act reflects the needs of the community, streamlines admin process and contributes to the establishment of a national framework for firearms control.

Any person or group (SAPPA etc) wishing to make a submission should do so in writing by Dec 1. Send by email to sapol.firearmsbranch@police.sa.gov.au or by mail to;

The Firearms Legislative Reform Project Team

GPO Box 1539
ADELAIDE SA 5001

This is our chance. For all those that bitch and moan about the legislation, here is your chance to do something about it. If you dont write in, then quit the moaning.

Time we stand united and put our views across. We need a committee that sits down and drafts a letter to the police and get the ball rolling.

Any takers, I am one.

UNITED YOU STAND............DIVIDE YOU BEG

[Sharpy]

we need to get wots in on dis action

:confused: WOTS is West Oz, this is for South Australia...

[bunkerboy]

Sharpy, I believe that ANY group from ANY State can submit information and opinions as whatever the outcome is, will most likely be implimented nationwide...eg, no cross-border issues/differences regarding licences and regulations in regards to the sport of paintball. The South Australian Police are just the guys who have been handed the job to get the ball rolling, so to speak.

[Shane]

Hi Guys,
here goes my 2 to 4 cents worth on the subject.

Currently in South Australia we probably have the best laws as regards to paintball than most other states.
We need to keep it this way.
I am not sure if some of the other states have now modelled their laws on ours although possibly a bit more restricted.
One thing we dont want is for the laws to go backwards and become more restricted.
This is why we need to say something.
One point in particular i would like to see change,and have discussed this with Adam and others is this,
I think paintball markers need to go into a class of their own.
At the mo they are classed as Class A firearms.In this class is,Air rifles,Paintball firearms [as worded],22 RIMFIRE RIFLES[not self loading] ,SINGLE or DOUBLE BARREL SHOTGUNS[not self loading]and includes recievers.[breaches].
As we all know,paintball markers are not toys but are hardly in the class of the lethal weapons above listed.
So maybe they could have their own class say Class PB.
More to this point,if you would like to own a paintball marker you must have a firearms licence.Not a bad idea, but to get a Class A firearms licence you must pass the tests which include shooting a 22 rim fire rifle at targets and
shoot an Under and over Double barrel shotgun at rabbit silhouettes.
I feel this is ridiculous for people who have no intention to use these weapons.
They just want to play paintball and own their own marker.
For instance too,if my wife Jacqui wants to go practice with her team,to be legal,I must go with her as she does not have a licence to carry a Class A firearm nor does she have any desire to shoot a double barrel shotgun. [well maybe sometimes when I not be good boy :lol: ]
To fix this my suggestion is this,
let me know your thoughts all,
Maybe like to own a handgun where the club committee decides,permission to have a PB licence maybe issued by say SAPPA for arguments sake,on the proviso that u are not an idiot and are part of a team and must compete in at least 2 tournanments a year.
This of course would differ for field operators etc.
Current safe storage still may apply to markers or is it a bit over the top?
Cheers
Shane.

[Hornet Driver]

Chief Wiggum,

Can you please clarify if this is a consultation process that is for the purpose of reviewing S.A. laws ONLY, or if this is a process that is being exercised by S.A. Police, in consultation with the South Australian public to review the laws of ALL states?

It seems a little stupid for this to be a process to review all gun laws across all states through just one state, and in consultation with only one state's residents.

If, however, this is the case, I do agree with Shane's perspective of having Paintball markers classified seperately. I do believe that there was a concerted push for this to happen here in Queensland when they were initially classed as a firearm. There was much speculation as to the overt compliance issues that would eventually come about should they be heaped in with the rest of Cat A firearms.

If we can get a consensus as to exactly what the intended outcome is for this review process, then we can move intelligently from there.

[Shane]

Yep that too.
Well put Horny.
Cheers
Shane.

[Chief Wiggum]

This is a legislative reform model. What SAPOL (SA Police) wants to do is get feedback from all persons involved in using all types of firearms, then sit down with the legislation, change it so that it is representitive of what people want (including the government of the day) and then liase with other states in regard to this legislation. Then they will change the law, then pass info to other states and try and get some uniform laws across states. They are also looking at a national firearms registry so that we can take firearms cross border without having to do any paperwork. I am sure it will be for the better. I for one think its stupid that someone who wants a paintball gun has to go out and shoot .22 and shotguns to get it. One day someone will get a licence to get a paintball gun, then decide, hell I may as well get a shotgun as well, since I can. Then one day accidentally shoot someone and paintball will be to blame.

[Hornet Driver]

Beautiful mate. Thankyou.

I will talk to the other guys up here and see if we can't formulate some sort of submission.

Talk soon...

[JJJ]

ok Shane here is my response


Currently in South Australia we probably have the best laws as regards to paintball than most other states.
We need to keep it this way.

AGREE


I think paintball markers need to go into a class of their own............................
So maybe they could have their own class say Class PB.
More to this point,if you would like to own a paintball marker you must have a firearms licence.Not a bad idea, but to get a

AGREE


They just want to play paintball and own their own marker.
For instance too,if my wife Jacqui wants to go practice with her team,to be legal,I must go with her as she does not have a licence to carry a Class A firearm nor does she have any desire to shoot a double barrel shotgun. [well maybe sometimes when I not be good boy :lol: ]

hmm I think there is some legal debate over whether you are allowed to supervise someone with a paintball marker - I dont think that rule applies as you must be shooting on a registered field.


To fix this my suggestion is this,
let me know your thoughts all,
Maybe like to own a handgun where the club committee decides,permission to have a PB licence maybe issued by say SAPPA for arguments sake,on the proviso that u are not an idiot and are part of a team and must compete in at least 2 tournanments a year.

DISAGREE why restrict it to SAPPA which was not set up as a regulatory body but an association for tournament paintball.

So what happens Shane if you drop out of playing comps for a year due to work, family, $s etc.. Are you going to hand your marker in?


This of course would differ for field operators etc.
Current safe storage still may apply to markers or is it a bit over the top?

DISAGREE should not be seperate rules.

[JSC_Liason_neo]

Yep, Pbing should have there own Class and the licence requirement should involve marker safty and not shotguns and 22's. Bring in some markers, let use shot them and educate the newbes on a thing or 2,

SAPPA is Sappa

What happens If I want to setup my own body for Woodsballers? Why not we dont have one yet

[Red Beard]

Maybe like to own a handgun where the club committee decides,permission to have a PB licence maybe issued by say SAPPA for arguments sake,on the proviso that u are not an idiot and are part of a team and must compete in at least 2 tournanments a year.


I agreed with you Shane up until I read this part...So what happens to all the recballers, and woodsballers down there?? Will they then just be limited to using field rentals? Should serious recballers and woodsballers not also get the same treatment as a serious tourneyballer?

You may say "Well you could just compete in 2 tournies a year and be done with it, and still do your own thing..." but then what about they guys that have no interest in tourneyball? Do they just get excluded from the sport, and conned into submisssion, and be pushed back to the same level as your average punter that may play paintball once every blue moon...


On this note, after I consult with the committee, the ASPPL will also be putting in a written submission to 'SAPOL'...

[Pounder]

Any reason those 2 Tournaments a year couldn't be ASPPL tournaments? I thought that was what you were trying to acheive... no?

Didn't see "Must be a Sup Air Tournament" anywhere in Shane's post.

[Red Beard]

Any reason those 2 Tournaments a year couldn't be ASPPL tournaments? I thought that was what you were trying to acheive... no?

Didn't see "Must be a Sup Air Tournament" anywhere in Shane's post.

We plan on having only 4 rounds per year in the series...I find it hard to believe that every non-tourneyballer will be able to make atleast 2 of them, since they will, atleast next year, be moderately east coast based rounds - with one possibly held abroad...though since Shane mentioned SAPPA who have little to nothing to do with Woodsball or even recball, I think thats what he was getting at...

[Pounder]

Might be an incentive to get something rolling then... either that or change ASPPL to NSWSPPL.

[Red Beard]

Might be an incentive to get something rolling then... either that or change ASPPL to NSWSPPL.

We already have atleast one round that will be held outside of NSW :thumbsup: With another round to be decided on, I am pushing for it to also be held interstate...:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Adamage]

I think everyone is one the same page here, we (SAPPA) need to sit down and draft a letter to the powers that be with our feedback on the new laws. Those who are interested PM me and we'll arrange a time where we can get together. Remember they have to be in by Dec 1 so lets get on to it

[Shane]

Hi guys,
well looks like we are now getting some response and discussion
on the subject.
Lets put the tourney issues aside for the moment.
Cheers for all response anyhows.
Nice job of sectioning me JJJ.ouch.
Guys,
please note that my first post was just to start getting some feedback
and some thoughts I had on the matter.
No need to light me up.Sheesshh:lol:
I think some of my post was taken out of context.
Let me clarify a coupla things for those playing at home.
I will address JJJ's response if thats cool.
I would love to section and quote u JJJ but my Bill's skills pale in the presence of a master.
Firstly you agree on that our current laws are pretty ok.
Secondly that Paintball markers should have their own class.
On my third point let me explain a bit further.
As we know the general public can go to a paintball field and after a paintball safety rundown can play paintball at a recoginised field under supervision of the field operator/experienced reffs. This is a great part of our laws and not an issue.
My point was that if my wife wants to go to a recognised field and practice,
[like we do],to transport one of my markers legally to practice with,which legally she is allowed to do at a field, means she is then in possesion of a Class A firearm that she does not have a licence to be in possesion of.Say if she was stopped by the boys in blue on the way to the field.This is a see you in court offence by the way.
This is why legally I must transport it with me.Then while at the field she can use it without a licence.
To get a licence she has to... etc.Please see my previous post.
Does that make sense?

Ok on this bit,
My quote is
QUOTE
To fix this my suggestion is this,
let me know your thoughts all,
Maybe like to own a handgun where the club committee decides,permission to have a PB licence maybe issued by say SAPPA for arguments sake,on the proviso that u are not an idiot and are part of a team and must compete in at least 2 tournanments a year.

JJJ's RESPONSE

DISAGREE why restrict it to SAPPA which was not set up as a regulatory body but an association for tournament paintball.

So what happens Shane if you drop out of playing comps for a year due to work, family, $s etc.. Are you going to hand your marker in?

Like I said,
it was just a suggestion to start the ball rolling.
I agree with your above points JJJ.

Upon further thought can i make another suggestion about the licencing issue
and its implementaion?
[Is that another cross being erected on the hill I see?:confused:?]

Maybe like when you do the Firearms course to get you Class A or other,
which involves at the moment the shotgun,
We could have a course specifically for Paintball?
Possibly with written and practical elements?
This course could be held by anyone of us in association with TAFE and the
regular Firearms course?
Pass the course and get your PB licence.
I'm sure I and Ross would be more than happy to make our field available
If needed.
Your thoughts?
Cheers
Shane.

[JJJ]

Maybe like when you do the Firearms course to get you Class A or other,
which involves at the moment the shotgun,
We could have a course specifically for Paintball?
Possibly with written and practical elements?
This course could be held by anyone of us in association with TAFE and the
regular Firearms course?
Pass the course and get your PB licence.
I'm sure I and Ross would be more than happy to make our field available
If needed.
Your thoughts?
Cheers
Shane.

AGREE

And could interstaters please not hijack the thread with posts on the merits of their leagues:thumbsup:

[JJJ]

My point was that if my wife wants to go to a recognised field and practice,
[like we do],to transport one of my markers legally to practice with,which legally she is allowed to do at a field, means she is then in possesion of a Class A firearm that she does not have a licence to be in possesion of.Say if she was stopped by the boys in blue on the way to the field.This is a see you in court offence by the way.
This is why legally I must transport it with me.Then while at the field she can use it without a licence.
To get a licence she has to... etc.Please see my previous post.
Does that make sense?


It does and I withdraw my statement your Honour based on the defence's explanation:lol:

[Beaker]

I don't know if it's feasible or even likely but if you can get them to move towards the UK model with regard to paintball it would be the best.

Basically they have a rule than anything with a muzzle energy lower than 12ftlbs is outside the licencing system as it's (practically) non-lethal.

Steve Bull is the guy to talk to here about it as he's done good work getting paintball an easy ride in the UK, check out the UKPSF or email me through PGi and I'll point you to him. He's got all our relevant firearms legistlation etc etc which might help if you can give them a blueprint...

[Hornet Driver]

Beaker.

I do agree that it would be much easier to go along the lines of having markers recognised as non-lethal.

However, if you look at the firearms laws, the different classifications of weapons and why weapons are classified the way they are here in Australia, it is easy to see that anything that resembles a gun closely enough is classified as a weapon, must be registered and restricted as such, and be subject to state registry and control.

The phrase in the firearms legislation that governs this is "...reasonable facsimile of..."

Succintly, if it looks enough like a gun should look, then its classified as a gun, and controlled accordingly.

I for one am in favour of this methodology, and think that it is a good thing that if it looks enough like a real gun, or shoots projectiles that can cause serious harm to an individual who is not properly attired in safety gear (ie a mask), then it should have legislation dedicated to it.

Please correct my extrapolation of your insight into U.K. laws, but does the U.K. not require licensing and Permits To Acquire for purchase of a marker?

[Shane]

Hey again guys,
JJJ no probs mate.
I had to start somewhere on this.
Please note all players.
I only used SAPPA as a "for instance".
Did not want to upset any leagues.All good paintball
is good paintball no matter what you like.
Beaker just out of curiosity mate,
with laws regarding paintball over in the UK being a
bit leaner so to speak,by my understanding.
Is there more instances of Idiots doing dumb stuff with
markers?
Cheers
Shane.

[Beaker]

Please correct my extrapolation of your insight into U.K. laws, but does the U.K. not require licensing and Permits To Acquire for purchase of a marker?

Nope, we don't require anything except in theory they shouldn't be sold to under 16s.

Basically there is a clause that omits anything under this limit, so it covers anything from nerf to pin pong ball guns through BB guns and up to markers. The muzzle energy actually comes in around 340fps, but as we have the 300 limit the police have never had any issues with it. We recently had some legistaltion passed that passed replica weapons (which would have killed airsoft dead) but there is now a clause excluding airsoft.

The idea of our is that it allows toys guns etc to be sold freely and paintball is just lucky we come under the limit, albeit only just.

[Beaker]

Beaker just out of curiosity mate,
with laws regarding paintball over in the UK being a
bit leaner so to speak,by my understanding.
Is there more instances of Idiots doing dumb stuff with
markers?
Cheers
Shane.

Not really, I can't think of any this year for instance. At least none that have casued enough fuss for me to hear about them.

While they are easy to buy, they are not available in the WalMart sense so you'd still need to go to a shop or find it online and go through the hassle of getting it rather than drunkenly picking one up with some munchies on a late night bender as you can in the states.

Plus our laws on gas supply are very strict, e.g. dive shops wont fill a paintball bottle nor can you get a one off CO2 fill easily. That means that even if you buy one online etc. you couldn't (easily) fill it.

[Shane]

Cheers buddy.
I just got that feeling that in Oz we would definatley come up with the idiots.
I feel the paintball course is the way to go and then a PB licence.
Like i said before,I would like markers to have their own class here too.
Regards
Shane.

PS.Beaker,are u an Ed for PGI magazine?

[Shane]

Yo Chief Wiggum,
any thoughts after all this?
Oh and for the local guys,
I recently spoke to the acting senior officer of the Firearms branch here in SA.
They are planning an information night for field operators sometime.
While an emailed response on this current situation will be good,
I think that an information night for all interested players would be good especially since i have noticed that depending on who you speak to in the branch at the time,there can be some varying interpretaion of the current act/legislation.
Would be nice to have a chat with them anyways.
Cheers,
me again.

[Chief Wiggum]

I have spoken at length with Cheif Inspector Firearms and told him our concerns. Also advised him that he should be expecting lots of letters/emails on this subject. Any info I receive I will post here, in the meantime, all members, SAPPA or otherwise, please PM Adam and lets get together soon and sort this out. Dec 1 will come by quicker than you think.

[Chief Wiggum]

Remember I dont think we want to change the laws here too much, we have a good thing going as it is. I would like to see Painball clasified on its own. I have no need for a shotgun or a .22 so I dont see why I pay $55 a year to renew the licence for them. I would like to see interstate laws come into line with each other so interstate travel is a little easier. I would like to see international players bring markers in (the dramas I am having with getting the yanks to bring their markers to the World Police Fire Games is unbelievable) but I would hate to see it get worse for us. I would also hate to see someone go into coles in 12 months and buy a marker over the counter. If that happens pricks will be doing stick ups with them and that will destroy us. What ever we do, we need to be united and get our shit together. Anyone that cannot make the meeting, whenever that may be, please PM someone and put your points across.

[Mexicanstu]

Hello
Have alook at the Victorian system for Paintball Marker Ownership, etc. It might help with some information for your discussions and is just getting going.

[lump_a_charcoal]

I think the major point is that markers of all types, should be in their own class, nation wide. Once they are in their own class, more rules can be relaxed, adapted etc to suit the sport.
On another note, misuse rules should not be changed, as well as licence revocation, due to other criminal activity. Keep the tools out of the sport.

Are Bill and Mike getting a say on this?

[JSC_Liason_neo]

Nice points

i would like to see the use of more reball

[Shane]

Yo Chief,
as u have read I have made quite a few points.
Do i need to send these to the branch myself or should we have
a collective bunch sent in by the association covering
the main points we would like addressed?
Cheers
Shane.

[P.K.]

OK my turn...

Yes they need to be kept as firearms, with the same purchasing requirements, and storage etc, as painfull as the waiting period is. We definetly do not need to see the same availability as there is in the states.

Markers need there own identity / class.

A separate Tafe course is the go. One where the lectures knows what a paintball gun is, how it works, etc. There is no point teaching someone not to point a gun at someone when that is their whole intention. But more importantly understanding pressure/ gas etc this is by far the most dangerous part of our sport and too many people know so little about it.

How about a unified set of rules with regards to "pressure vessels" and certified testing of these things.

We must be careful not to dictate our demands, South Australia has by far the best paintball laws in this country, I hope we dont stuff them up, just cos we dont want to wait to recieve our brand new DM8 Ego Matrix Custom!!!
We as a country are still on tender hooks and it only takes a couple of bad incidents involving paintball gear to get us shut down.

Thats what I reckon,
Have a nice day.:)

[P.K.]

Whats this about a meeting???

[Adamage]

I'm trying to get interested parties and (or) the committee together asap to have a meeting re a collective letter SAPPA can submit. So if your interested (Shane i'm looking at you here) PM me and we can all meet at Wiggums house ('cause i know he always has beers there) Perhaps we could draft a letter and post it here. Then people can add their name to it and email it in also. Numbers count.

[Hornet Driver]

Numbers most certainly do count mate. Very very true.

Boys and girls, here's one Queenslander standing up and asking you guys to set a good example for the rest of us. You guys have a golden opportunity here to present a unified group in a professional manner, with structured arguments, intelligent points of view, and experienced orators.

Get the ball rolling guys. We will most definitely follow suit when its our turn.:thumbsup: :bow:

[MG1100]

OK my turn...

Yes they need to be kept as firearms, with the same purchasing requirements, and storage etc, as painfull as the waiting period is. We definetly do not need to see the same availability as there is in the states.

Markers need there own identity / class.

A separate Tafe course is the go. One where the lectures knows what a paintball gun is, how it works, etc. There is no point teaching someone not to point a gun at someone when that is their whole intention. But more importantly understanding pressure/ gas etc this is by far the most dangerous part of our sport and too many people know so little about it.

How about a unified set of rules with regards to "pressure vessels" and certified testing of these things.

We must be careful not to dictate our demands, South Australia has by far the best paintball laws in this country, I hope we dont stuff them up, just cos we dont want to wait to recieve our brand new DM8 Ego Matrix Custom!!!
We as a country are still on tender hooks and it only takes a couple of bad incidents involving paintball gear to get us shut down.

Thats what I reckon,
Have a nice day.:)


Well said Pete.

I think your on the right track.

Dan/Adam, stay in touch. You know Kuitpo is always available if you need somewhere to get everyone together.

Cheers
Steve

[Shane]

Hi again guys,
Well put Pete,Hi Steve,
yep I think we are on the right track.
Adam,
no probs on a meeting.get the chief organised.
I will be there.[if i'm allowed,Jac?]
Cheers
Shane.

[MG1100]

Whats the latest Chief. Time's ticking.

[Shane]

Hi guys,
yep the clock is ticking on this.
I am going to put in my own blurb if we dont have a group consensus, along the lines of the following;

1/Most interested parties agree that we have about the best paintball
laws in Australia and we dont want to change too much although some consideration could be put to;

2/Having paintball markers put into their own class.Being in Class A at present
along with lethal weapons such as .22 rifles,Shotguns etc is questionable.

3/That potential paintball marker owners complete a course specifically for
paintball marker ownership.Focusing on safety especially with HP air and Co2
handling[potentially more dangerous than a marker!!],correct storage,use of barrel blocking methods,goggles etc.

Your thoughts guys?
Cheers
Bloff.

[Hornet Driver]

Yeah Shane I for one agree with everything you've put there.

I don't think that there would be too much disagreement from anyone else up here, but if there is, I hope they post it up here forthwith.:thumbsup:

[Adamage]

Hi guys,

Myself and Wiggum have written up a letter of recomendations and have emailed it in. I'll post a copy here soon so you can have a read but it pretty much says everything shane has spoke about here. If you want to send something in yourselves.

email graham.lawence@police.sa.gov.au

before the 1st of dec. Let him know about any suggestions.

[Adamage]

He's a copy of the letter sent to the firearms branch for legislation review.

[pimpdog]

SWEET :thumbsup:

[wicky]

nice work.

[JSC_Liason_neo]

Excellent stuff, would like to see the reball

[DANNY]

Nice work Faabs :respekt:
Hopefully this goes down well with firearms:thumbsup:

[lump_a_charcoal]

Looks good mate - Some very good points raised there...

I dont agree with the safe part - I still think markers should be locked up in safes of some sort, just not cat 3 safes.

Also, I think there is a typo at the top of the second page -

"The sport of paintball has evolved over the last ten (10) years and the game now utilises compressed air apposed to CO2 gas as a propellant for paintball markers. "

Should that be opposed?


Nice work!

[P.K.]

:thumbsup: Love your work big fellas.

[Adamage]

Chief Wiggum should be getting alot of the thanks, he put it in writing (that means the typo is his fault he he)
Big thanks to all of you who put forward your thoughts and recommendation. Lets hope we can get paintball it's own firearms class.

[Shane]

Couldnt have said it better myself.
Big ups to the chief and yourself Ads.
Ads,is it worth us maybe sending in an email to say
something like,
I as a member of sapppa,wholeheartedly agree
with the reccommendations forwarded to the branch on
the members/my behalf.
Yours Sincerely
Me
Blah,blah?
I mean do we need numbers behind this?
Cheers
Bloff.

[Adamage]

I can't see why that wouldn't hurt, it might reinforce the fact that it was association driven and not just one or two people's views

[Hornet Driver]

Top stuff Chief and Adam.

I will publicly state here that if any other Queensland players/operators have any ammendments to this, they should speak up now. Otherwise, if you receive a response on this, and there is some call for a show of support by either signatures or just plain numbers, then you can start the Queensland support list at me.:thumbsup:

[Chief Wiggum]

Thanks all for the support and the spelling assistance. I would like to see everyone possible send an email to the above and tell him that you have read and agree with the reccomendations proposed and that will assist us greatly like Adam said. It doesnt matter that Dec 1 has passed, they will still take on emails and everyone keep the fingers crossed.

[lump_a_charcoal]

Do you think an e-petition would be of any use?

[Adamage]

It's not really a petition thing, they are after the public's opinion on how reform can be made to the firearms act. Like Wiggum said, the best thing would be to email the above address and state you have read and agree with the letter.

[lump_a_charcoal]

Yep fair enough -

[Chief Wiggum]

I think that everyone in all states would be able to give them an email because we want to show that we are after uniform laws across all states.

[Hornet Driver]

Ok Chief.

As for Queenslanders, I will be the first to say if you are a Queenslander, the post up your disagreements with the aforementioned letter, after you have read it, and let us know what changes you would want made, and after you have done so, then please email the above and voice your support for this initiative.

As the Chief has said, this is our chance to have a lasting impact on our industry, and our sport.

I would like to ammend my previous statement of support for all of the aspects of the letter. I agree with lump that it should still be compulsary for us to store them in safes, because I am pretty sure that if we really do get our circumstances changed, the penalties for violating firearms laws won't change. If the marker(s) are stolen, then I can almost guarantee that we will still receive the same penalties should that happen. Other than that, Shane, Chief, Adam, I am in complete agreeance. And again, if you are a Queenslander, even if you are just reading this to pass the time, then make your voice heard, and post up. Immediately after doing that, send off your email.

Do it guys. This sort of chance won't come again in a hurry.:thumbsup:

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Mr Lawence, YGM!