As pistols are illegal -another query-what marker?

[Logan]

hi guys thanks agian for answering my pistol query -i have another one for you all. agin -it pertains to the legality of certain guns and also what is decent.

-Is it possible to import guns from the US? -amazon.com seems to have fairly decently priced markers and the local dealers are still charging a bit much for fairly old guns
-me and my group of friends are not really looking at spending wads of cash on tourney styled electric paint spraying machines... more into the scenario ball play... hence, we are wondering if its okay to put stocks on the markers -as it does make the marker (im particular tippmanns) look more like a real weapon (SMG-style)

has anyone had experiance with teh Tippmann a-5? is it a good starting marker? we want something that is reliable, and fairly cheap - and the look seems about right for scenario play... not really fans of the sci fi look.

in particular we were looking at this as a starting pack http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0009L2NS2/sr=1-19/qid=1118232755/ref=sr_1_19/103-9161825-6940642?%5Fencoding=UTF8&n=3375301&s=sporting-goods&v=glance
and wondered if this was a decent price, and if gettign it through customs would be easy.

thanks again for all your advice. (and for putting up with my shocking spelling.)

[Bill]

Short answer is yes you can import privatly.
However, as its not an easy task and can easily go very wrong.
First you need an import permit for the marker, and you need an import permit for the hopper (cos they are considered magazines), then they are inspected when they arrive. If they fail any part of the inspection then its bye, bye marker with no refund :cry:

In the past you would have made quite significant savings, however, with the change in import laws that is no longer true.
For example a brad new Smart Parts Ion is just $499 retail in Au now. Thats a real bargin for a very decent marker ( A number were used at the JT 5man and performed very well).
Ive even seen package for $199 that included a new semi, gas bottle and hopper :eek: (Bottom end marker for sure, but just shows how prices have dropped reciently).

Do the sums and you will find that your savings by purchasing overseas are fairly minor. Convert into Au$, then add shipping (can be very pricy).
Dont forget to add import duty onto stuff purchased OS as well. (cos customs sure aint going to forget).

[Bill]

I just had a look at that link you provided. ($489 US which is about $639 Au)

Did you know that you can purchase a brand new Tippman A5 package in Australia for just $495 AU ?

Thats about $140 CHEAPER by buying locally without considering Duty and shipping.
With Duty and shipping your savings by Buying Local would be well in excess of $200 :D

(Yes the local and OS packages are slightly different, but both include marker, hopper, goggles, gas bottle. Buy the other bits local with the money you save)

[Rainman]

And you get warranty from Australia with no hassles.I know that Action Paintball gives great warranty and supports all of their products that they sell. :thumbsup: Try getting that from an O/S dealer. :no:

[Logan]

okay guys, thanks for the info -

BUT. -can anyone provide me with a recognised and respected supplier in WA?

basically i have spoken to a few people on various forumns, and we are pretty set on tippmann a-5's with flatline barrels, rifle stocks, remote line gas systems -so is there anyone in WA that i could get this gear from? -at a reasonable price?

if you could supply contact numbers or links i would be much obliged....

-those i have spoken to in WA seem to overprice their guns a bit - thanks gain for all your help

[Bigbird]

Talk to Dman at outerlimits paintball. I know he has had Tippman A5 through before.

[Bill]

No one that I have personally dealt with in WA.

One thing though, buying markers just from recommendations off forums (even this one) is one I would approach with caution.
Markers are a personal choice and what is perfect for one person can be bad for another. I strongly advise that you go to a local field/store and test the markers you want. See if they feel "right" to you when you use it.

[Logan]

how can i contact 'Dman'?

-just had a quick browse through a few australian stockists -they all seem to have priced the A-5 at $500 -without anything - no package or anything -the bare bones... which is a bit dissapointing.. would love to know where you found this package deal for $495 Bill.

again, if anyone can come up with some contact details -wether ph number or website, for a reliable and respectable dealer in WA it would be great. thanks alot.

[Bill]

Action Paintball in Sydney.

http://paintball.gwd.net.au/product_details.php?productId=2910

[Bill]

And Dman is a long time member here ( :lol: member 28).
You can contact him by email or PM.

His contact details are on his members profile
http://www.billspaintball.com/vb3/member.php?u=28

[Warpaint]

You'll need more than just a bare bones marker while you are at it. You are going to need goggles, propellent (CO2 or Air), paintballs ... licenses, certified storage facilities...

Hooking up with a local supplier is going to go a long way to addressing these considerations.

A local supplier will be able to supply you with paint and CO2, and the appropriate documentation to acquire a paintball marker.

There are a couple of ways you can address your propellent issue.
1 buy CO2 tanks, buy a fill station, then set up a business account with BOC and
hire a Bulk CO2 tank to fill from.
2 Buy CO2 bottles and have your local field operator fill them for you (typically $5
a fill), if you are running games by yourself off in the bush (technically illegal) and
you run out, tough. Unless you buy and fill extra bottles to cover yourself.
3 Buy compressed air systems instead. Buy a scuba fill adapter and fill off scuba
tanks (you can hire or buy). Scuba tanks are easier to get filled (dive shop), but
still require yearly certification.

Each option has it's pros and cons. Money, independance and effort are what you are trading off.

Then there are support and maintenance questions to address. Local supplier, local support. You really are better off buying locally. The couple of bucks (even $100) you think you are saving by mail ordering your toys is really not worth it unless you REALLY know what you are doing.

[Lofty]

if you are running games by yourself off in the bush (technically illegal)

Not "technically illegal" mate, it is illegal.
Can you imagine what would happen if some tools were caught playing ball in the bush illegally? Well, i can tell you it wouldn't be a good thing for the sport. :no: They are just starting to relax the laws, don't stuff it for the rest of us. :mad:

[The Don]

It would be VERY bad for the sport if someone got caught illegally playing paintball in their backyard. :no:
It took alot of hard work from the dedicated WA paintball players to get this far, it would be a shame for one idiot to stuff it all up.
And if it got into the papers, it would look very bad for the other states as well.

Stick to the rules :thumbsup:

[Warpaint]

Illegal without the appropriate permits. You organise an event, and get the appropriate permissions and permits, (for example as Hayden is doing for a tournament at Mcallum Park) then it is not illegal.

Other activities that are illegal - firing anything other than a paintball out of your marker. And my favourite - any modification you make to your firearm if you are not a licensed gunsmith.

[captinsane]

not illegal in QLD if property is over 40 acres and you aren't a dumbass!!! Move to QLD..then watch your team kick NSW in the Origin!!!

I was looking at importing stuff from US about a year ago...then the new laws came through which made it easier. I though that still importing from US was better but no...Australian suppliers have got some great prices and the importation stuff can be filled with pit falls (for example...the beuracracy screws up your paperwork and you have to pay $10 per day storage or something till they fix it up etc...etc). There was a thread on this back last year. Have a look for it, it is crammed with info.

Good luck and welcome to the forums!

[Logan]

are stocks legal? -i heard there was something against them due to them making the marker look more like a real gun.. but imo is is quite a practical thing to have -and im not a fan of the 'sci fi' look of markers... more into the military realism myself... so can we order stocks here? or would it be possible to get them through amazon? - after all, customs probably wouldnt look twice at a lump of plastic that doesnt really look like much.. could be a leg stand for a camera tripod for all they know. is it risky?

[Dman]

Hi Logan, as I have mentioned to you australia has a REPLICA's act becarefull there are stocks that you can add to the A-5 but they wont get you the look that you are after.

Dman

[Logan]

any idea where these stock are? -im not too worried about the look -more the practicallity of it... the look is a bonus -but if its just a wire support thats fine... im just keen on if i can get a stock.... i would be interested in having a look at these 'legal' stocks if you know anyplace that has them.... just out of curiosity

[Logan]

i must say tho -i am surprised that there is something against stocks.. after all, in WA they are registered as firearms - we need a gun liscense dont we? -if thats the case then im very surprised that you cannot modify a gun to your own specs.. after all, if you break the wooden stock on a real rifle you can go into a gun smith and have it changed... doesnt even have to be the same type of stock... so im surprised that there is law against the use of stocks... cheers anyways...

am still interested in these 'legal' stocks if you know where they can be obtained... the look is secondary to the function.... thanks alot.

[Dman]

I have an adjustable splash black and silver gas thru that you could look at.
Its not what you see in the magazines etc for the A-5 tho. But its a stock, you will need a remote line and back pack to carry the gas tank.

Dman

[Jamie_Cracker]

dude get over the whole military looking thing people in australian paintball aint gonna help you set yourself up to look like a fricken commando...it looks bad for the sport

[Logan]

@jamieC:people get into the sport for different reasons.... some people get into it to spends wads of cash and shoot 30bps, and play a game where they advance behind a wall of paint rather than actually playing what is inherrently a war sim... others get into it for scenario play - which is basically an excuse to put to practise the stuff you learn at reserves... without hurting anyone (cept those who bruise easily :)) - i would much rather have someone get off on military realism and only shoot paint at me then the situation in the US where people go nuts and shoot up schools.... australia isnt like that... but personally i like the idea of a combat sim... like i said -the 'sci fi' phaser looks just dont do it for me.... alot of us are in it for bragging rights and war hero stories... after all, nothing better then ragging on the boss at work about how you took him down every round... despite him being guarded... plenty of realistic war hero movies we all like... how many sci fi films featuring a 'war hero' angle do you see? -tis just what i like... im sure there are plenty of other players out there (woodballers in particular) which prefer the realism look over the fully tricked out mettalic hot pink and yellow sparkly phaser.. sure, your new alien timmy might put out paint at a furious rate... but at the end of the day it still looks like a toy... tis half the reason tippmann have such a strong market.. their markers look more like the real deal... (with a few mods) along with their reliability they seem to be the weapon of choice for woodsballers and scneario play.. (i am making a leap of faith here and assuming that most woodsballers/scenario players are more into the military/tactical aspect then the paint spewing machines of speedball)
my take on the whole aspect might be slightly influenced by bias :P no offense intended.

cheers again Dman - hopefully will talk to you in a few weeks about organising a meeting to try out a few markers - after exams are done. - cheers again all, appreciate the time taken to tell a newbie whats what.

[Jamie_Cracker]

no probs dude you can run around the bush in cam cream and a battle harness till you fall over...it doesnt phase me one bit(get it phase-phaser....oh well)

[Shifty_]

I find I shoot more in woodsball... like, there's always some tree that you end up ripping off a hopper and a half at just for them all to break on the twigs. :rolleyes:

Speedball :thumbsup:

A game in the woods ins't bad occasionally tho ;)

[Logan]

i was thinking more a full ghillie suit jamie =P

no need for cam cream when you look like foliage.

any opinions on the tippman flatlines being the furthest reaching barrels availiable? - i've heard some dispute that they dont shoot that much furhter - i assume for their price tag they must -but has anyone had some direct experience?

[captinsane]

Heard that it does go further but velocity drops considerably at range, so paint bounces. Plus the ballistic nature of paintballs (rifling...and top spin to some extent) will do little as the liquide inertia of paint will keep still while the shell rotates around it, which then slows down any rifling effects once it leaves the barrel...I have no experience though...read the reviews at pbreview.com or something

If you wanna 'snipe' :rolleyes: people...wait till they walk past you and snap them in the head from 2 metres... :evil :evil

[Jamie_Cracker]

the flatlines seem to slow the balls down and make them lift to a certain degree...but they do travel further

[THc]

:hammer: Logan :hammer:you're:hammer:a :hammer: dick head :hammer: :yes:

Please :cry: Go play LAzer tag skirmish :yawn:
They love ppl like U :thumbsup:

[Logan]

woah -THc -whats your problem?

no need to get agro -

i assume you have a problem with my opinion that paintball is a decent way to have a bit of a lark in a military type background without getting hurt? well, i would go and buy all the simmunation equipemnt the army uses for its training, but i dont have the government funding and im a little strapped for cash....

but seriously, whats the matter with wanting a stock? or a fealing of realism to a marker? paintball is all about 'war hero stories' anyways.. wether you are a speedballer or a rec player -we all brag about totalling zero'ing some goomba in the head and about a hero biscuit run to capture the flag and win... or jumping a marshmallow and laying paint all over and unsuspecting goon.... i dont see a problem with likeing a 'realsim' feel over a 'sci fi' feel - sorry if i've caused some offense, real or imagined -but im new to the sport/hobby and im only just finding out a few things...

:yell: however, flaming like that is just stupid and unproductive, the internet is full of clowns, noone wants another baby eating psycho, so give up the random spaming and emoticons.

and less of the 12 year old references grandpa :whip:

[OFS]

hey logan dont mean to intrude and yes it is a preferance thing but have you tried a tourny marker because i assure you a stock is not really neccesary even in scenario ball. i believe it would just get in the way. i only say this cos ive got an old mag that used to have a stock on it and it was just annoying.

[Ren]

Logan the flatline does work really well, sending the paint on a flat tradgectory. However, do some research on paint quality, I'm pretty sure that the flatline is really fussy and needs small bore, perfectly round paint, preferably with a matte shell. Because the flatline barrel is curved (around 11% I think?) it causes the paint to roll up the barrel, putting backspin on the ball, making it go further. If you have bad quality paint, it will just smash in the barrel, and pulling the flatline off to clean it is time consuming.

I was like you when I started (to some degree).

I wanted an A-5 with flatline so I could sit up the back and snipe people all day.
I tried a few things out and ended up really enjoying the tournament style of play. Yeah sure there are your back players who just throw rows of paint, but if your a more aggressive front player, you might only use a handful of shots per game. The tatcial side of Rec ball is just as real in Sup Air, if not more so, as to dominate your team will have to constantly communicate and change plans throughout the game.

Bottom line, I think its fine to want to play woods ball, and get into it. Just dont break any rules doing it. Remember, using your gun anywhere else besides a range is illegial, and it is considered in the eyes of the law, a firearms offense, similar to shooting a real gun illegially.

[Bill]

Please read the forum rules people....

[THc]

hEY LoG :kiss:

yoU REaLLy REALLY Wanna Be A "SNiPER" DOn't ya:yes:

What I don't get with scenerio :yawn: ppl is how come its always the military/"rambO"/waR/battle theme :confused:

Why is it never cowboys & indians or A Gunslingers/ "Westworld" theme, you could get yourself some nice chrome six shooters with pearl grips :armed: , wear A big black 10 gallon hat, run around yelling :yell: "yippykiAmother :fu: " & "GetOFFmyFIELDpoof", till ya ring fell out :thumbsup:
Might even make you town sherrif for the day, get the big shiney badge to pin on your chest :twisted:

That'd be cool to play :whip:

[Logan]

THc i really dont get you at all.... :clap:

excuse me if i find the years of research that mankind has invested in ergonomics interesting, not to mention practical, after all, alot of time was spent developing the 'perfect' or 'self aiming' gun... basically, they decided that certain styles, weight balances and grips were beneficial in aiming a gun - somehting which most tourney ball markers dont take into consideration.

the problem with most tourney ball markers is the gas - being attached to the marker, it makes the whole piece back heavy, not to mention the lack of a stock, and the presence of a foregrip, none of which help with aiming -it also makes the marker heavy, something which makes carrying it for any extended period a chore.

I dont know if you heard, but Paintball has only just become legal over here in WA :hammer: , most exsisting feilds by necessity have operated 'bush' feilds.... which tend to encourage the 'army' theme over speed ball... so forgive me if the majority of paintball i have enjoyed has been in wooded areas rather then soccerfeilds covered in marshmallows... :rofl:

as a result of the ''bush" fields, and the nature of the game they encourage, games tend to go longer - and it makes sense that a lighter gun is less taxing to cart around over the course of a day -it also decreases aiming time. -which is why remote lines and stocks are an attractive option for someplayers - i understand that speedball players want the small profile, compact design and 'snapshooting' ability of a smaller more rapid firing marker.

So rather then spouting nonsensical rubbish about your fantasies, which is fast approaching old :yawn: , how about you discuss why you dont like 'recball' and why you think 'tourneyball' is a better alternative... contructive posts are better then random spam.... :whip:

[Logan]

oh -and if paintball pistols weren't illegal over here, im sure we would see alot more gunslinging wild west cowboys over here.... :armed:

[Blue]

Logan dont waste any time discussing the topic if ppl cant use rational argument.
thc has only just stopped typing every second letter in upper case... now thats a strange habit!
thc get alife mate if ppl want to shoot A5s in the bush each to their own...
Logan I dont play bush ball but that does not mean you cant.

[THc]

thc has only just stopped typing every second letter in upper case... now thats a strange habit!


thc get alife mate

YoU WeaK BasTArd Blue, pICkiNg oN A poOR InDIVIDUAL with a handiCAP :rolleyes:
(its A diagnosed CaPs Lock probLEm) :cry:


I'll get a life when U get a sense of humour ;) :D :p

[Electrofunkster]

you making friends again ... hodgo ...

be nice to the little boys .. you know what happened to Micheal ..

:kiss:

[Tom]

THc i really dont get you at all.... :clap:



the problem with most tourney ball markers is the gas - being attached to the marker, it makes the whole piece back heavy, not to mention the lack of a stock, and the presence of a foregrip, none of which help with aiming -it also makes the marker heavy, something which makes carrying it for any extended period a chore.

I dont know if you heard, but Paintball has only just become legal over here in WA :hammer: , most exsisting feilds by necessity have operated 'bush' feilds.... which tend to encourage the 'army' theme over speed ball... so forgive me if the majority of paintball i have enjoyed has been in wooded areas rather then soccerfeilds covered in marshmallows... :rofl:

as a result of the ''bush" fields, and the nature of the game they encourage, games tend to go longer - and it makes sense that a lighter gun is less taxing to cart around over the course of a day -it also decreases aiming time. -which is why remote lines and stocks are an attractive option for someplayers - i understand that speedball players want the small profile, compact design and 'snapshooting' ability of a smaller more rapid firing marker.

:


if you are worried that muchs about weight i heard knitting needles are light. take up knitting , if that dont float ya boat, tuffen up markers are light as these days. #### even a Old school shocker with co2 isnt that heavy .

[Electrofunkster]

it is when your 12 and haven't passed pubity tom ...

[Tom]

good point . i reckon he should just buy a super soaker and fill it with water based paint . The ones with the back packs are good cause then he can run around the bush pretending his arnie with a flame thrower.

[Tom]

then again i dont think super soakers come with stocks but they do have a pump that should keep him happy

[jdbat]

how about a sling shot i believe they have camo ones these days also what's the deal with people gloryfiring war!!!!! :no:

[Bill]

Keep it on topic net time guys. :hammer:

I think this thread is starting to get way off track now so, Thread locked