preset's on timmy's ?

[eukanuba]

Is the conquest macdev preset, even on the LP version @ 450psi too high to run into a timmy as a primary reg ?

I've got a feeling that I'm gonna need to put my adjustable reg on.. have you guys had any experiences with presets into timmys ?

[RobKAOS]

conquest preset????????? what the; ............anyway a preset legionair will run the intimidator no probs, remember it has a minireg to bring it down to running pressure.

.......out of curiosity, does a timmy need to be set-up very specifically to run well, or are you just really fussy?......., just seems there's a heap of questions on here about the setting up and running of an intimidator?

maybe..................should have bought a borg?................... :rofl:

seeya sat night :thumbsup:

[eukanuba]

did I say conquest ? damn.. *forehead slap*

yeah, sorry... the legion preset I meant to say..

I was just wondering about it - because andrew helped me out when I had the dragon and told me that you run the adjustable reg on the cylinder at 200-250 psi in (was a smart parts), and the dragon was awesome at that pressure.. but I was thinking " Wow, 450psi is a huge jump from 250psi " both being timmy's - naturally I was curious..

Also, guys in the states have said they are running their's at around 200 -250psi input.. and when I said I had a 450 preset, one of the guys commented that it sounded a bit high..

As for the timmy - Nah, no prob's..

I'm itching to hear about how others have theirs set up.. I'm all for performance.. :D

[RobKAOS]

cool

like i said you have the minireg on the gun, and really the difference between 250 or 450psi is sweet fXXX all, especially considering the angel lcd requires 800-850 out of bottle pressure to run effectively, running the bottle reg at that pressure (200-250) has NO advantage as it is regulated by your minireg, all the air the marker needs comes thru this.......if it was me i would want the extra pressure to keep up with how fast an intimidator can apparently shoot........remember valves & inline regulators(minireg) need to recharge and will do so quicker with more kick behind them....

(NO DONT PUT 800-850 thru it).

plug and play, thats what i say.

[Sniper666]

Ask Trent, he's running a Legionair preset on his ND Timmy

[TRENT]

You should be running 400psi into your torpedo. How exactly are you adjusting velocity? LPR should be at the 80ish mark. Once at the 80 mark just adjust the torpedo to selected velocity.

[eukanuba]

understood. :thumbsup:

can I throw a question at ya rainbow rob ? :D

If the preset is putting out too high a pressure, could this cause the gun to require a higher back pressure to open the poppet ?

I've found that with an adjustable reg, the marker runs much quieter than the preset.. and it was at 250psi v 450psi...

I can see where you're going, but I'm wondering if there's too much backpressure on the reg.. and the required increase in pressure to counter it could cause a failure in the solenoid ? ( i.e. 100psi vs 80psi ) I've noticed I've had to increase the LPR to bring the velocity up to field legal 280fps since installing a preset at a higher input pressure..

most good reg's feed fast enough now... and besides I cant shoot fast enough to suck a reg dry.. I'm just your average backman.. :o

Sorry for ranting, just my observations..

[eukanuba]

You should be running 400psi into your torpedo. How exactly are you adjusting velocity? LPR should be at the 80ish mark. Once at the 80 mark just adjust the torpedo to selected velocity.

Gotcha, thanks trent !

why's there such a variance in timmy's ?

The dragon I had before was running at 50psi.. and shooting constant at 280fps..

Is it something to do with different reg's ?

[RobKAOS]

the solenoid is after the minireg and therefore should have the same pressure going into it regardless of the bottle reg....unless the bottle reg is too low,
as just said trent knows bout these things,


btw I dont believe there is a preset on the market with less than a 400 output pressue (could be wrong), i couldnt see 200psi cutting it.... thats getting down to hp bycicle tyre pressure! ...................well sorta......

.........if guns were manufactured to run with a bottle pressure at 200 im sure a preset would be manufactured to suit.

[TRENT]

The lpr presure which is shown on the gauge doesnt really effect FPS. Its used to control other things. The HPR presure which you adjust at bottom of reg adjusts the velocity. You need to run at least 400psi into you minireg so that you minireg isnt starved for air. Your HPR will be running around the 200psi mark i think but there is no way to get a measure.

Quick note running your lpr lower will give you less kick, be softer on paint but wont cycle as fast meaning gun will be slower. The higher you go the faster gun will be but will have more kick and be harder on paint. Its about finding the balance for your needs.

[James]

euk - torpedoes will handle the hp version of the legionair or the lp version. you will need to adjust the torpedo accordingly to the air system you have.

i would personally go the lp version.

[Deadeye]

yeah Euk dont listen to too much crap on the u.s forums sipher out the dumb crap. 450psi is a perfect output pressure for guns running around 200psi. The mini reg regulates down the pressure to an operating pressure of whatever 200etc so you dont want a 200psi main reg or like trent said you will starve your gun. Maybe where you were reading the guys had gutted there mini regs and were running there bottle pressure straight through to the gun.

[eukanuba]

my gun runs at 80 psi.. not 200psi..

if I had a backpressure of 200psi.. It would give me 2.5x the required pressure sitting in reserve to recharge the reg..

at 450psi it is 5.6x the required pressure sitting in reserve to recharge the reg..

the whole point of my post is to find the optimal recharge rate without putting too much stress on the internal components and to keep it running smoothly and quiet..

[James]

your lpr runs at 80psi (cycles the bolt) and you find your inline reg(gas pressure for shooting the ball) will run around the 250psi mark.

you dont have to worry about stressing the reg, they are made to withstand higher than needed pressures so anything over 450 psi will be fine. you are looking to far into things, the only thing you need to worry about to get your gun running smoothly and quietly is have your gun tuned by someone who knows what they are doing.

[eukanuba]

thanks guys, much appreciated.

[eukanuba]

*update*

I could not get the FPS on my toy down below 400fps last night at the wots 3 man using the 450psi macdev preset lp system.

older timmy's it would appear are not able to take that high an input pressure.

I switched to a maxflo and ran it in at 250 psi and there was not a problem, it just couldnt handle the extra 200psi being pushed in there, if you are in doubt - I was the guy standing at the chrony station who was cussing because I couldnt get it anywhere near 300fps..

I have also confirmed this with an american intimidator technician who also verified that 450psi was infact far too high for the older timmy's - however, the newer timmy's ( aka trent's naughty dogs timmy ) could handle the 450 psi input, this is a fact.

I guess I'm gonna have to start looking for a new cylinder reg now that can do a low 250psi output..

- Euk.

[Deadeye]

dude..im telling ya right now there are thousands of people with 2k3 timmies running output pressures from their main reg of 450+

[eukanuba]

deadeye, do you have a timmy ?

[James]

what is the output on the gauge of your inline reg? there is no need to get a new air system, there may simply be a prob with the torpedo.

get back to me with your pressures.

[eukanuba]

I had 2 torpedo reg's - the 1 off my gun, and another off a timmy alien species..

both did the same thing, identical in every way - shape and form.

I thought the same thing about my torpedo reg, so I opened - cleaned - checked and relubed thoroughly then rebuilt with great care watching for o-ring damage etc.

Pressure on both reg's - identical at 80psi.

with the preset - 80psi ( @ 450 psi input )
with the adjustable - 80psi. ( @ 250 psi input *roughly* )

when you cycle the marker with the preset - no matter how far you take it out.. 400fps

when you cycle the marker with the adjustable - easily varies, 100 - 300fps - no prob's.

All one can assume is what I've said in previous posts..

the input pressure from the primary ( cylinder reg ) is directly related to the ammt of pressure required to open the valve - regardless of there being 80psi within the torpedo reg.

but the whole problem's a bit weird eh ? :confused:

the other option is a spring replacement in the torpedo reg, to counteract the 450psi coming in - because obviously the spring in there is too soft for the reg to operate at the pressure which is being put into it..

what do you think james ? ( I know your seriously tech minded.. )

it just seems to make sense to me..

everything I've read relating to timmy's says input should be around 300psi.. maybe the newer reg's are coming out with a stiffer main spring ?

It's a pity I've got no way to test the stiffness of 2 different springs and compare to get an honest answer..

[James]

the gun should be running at about 250 psi so there is a problem with both your torpedo regs, bob uses lp crossfires so you know the regs should be able do it.

did you touch your lpr at all? the easiest way to set up a timmy fast is to turn both lpr and hpr out till they are at 0 psi. then turn thr hpr (inline reg) up to 250 psi. then slowly adjust the lpr up to get velocity. this will give you a platform to work from, then you can go about fine tuning your regs or "sweet spotting them" to get minimum kick and maximum gas consumption.

i would say get your regs looked at or replace them with something that will work well like a gladiator, it is a much better reg than the torpedo and muzza is always on hand to help you if you need it.

let me know how this goes.

[TRENT]

What James said. Bring your timmy to main event and im sure someone there will know how to set it up if you cant get it going yourself.

[James]

if you still have probs feel free to give me a call at the factory on 02 9531 5055 and i can talk you through it.

[eukanuba]

If the guage and inlet are on the wrong sides, the reg becomes a flow through ? is this correct ?

with this, the 450 input.. regardless of the guage being 80 psi - would put 450 into the bolt.. which is why it's continually shooting hot ?

I've not changed that, but it's an area I will look at when i get home tonight.

( still looking for a schematic of the torpedo reg if anyone has one.. )

[eukanuba]

did you touch your lpr at all? the easiest way to set up a timmy fast is to turn both lpr and hpr out till they are at 0 psi. then turn thr hpr (inline reg) up to 250 psi. then slowly adjust the lpr up to get velocity. this will give you a platform to work from.

No, didnt touch it.

That's the interesting thing.. I cant get it to go to 0. no matter what, even with it wound right out...

Sounds like we might have found the problem eh ?

[James]

thats right euk! the problem would be the seat, from memory i think it is a 008-90 poly urethane o-ring. change that and see if you can get your reg to go to zero.

[Deadeye]

Euk did u get the gun sorted out?

[eukanuba]

Won't know until I get my hands on a chrono...

I've got it all setup.. but it's shooting balls through plastic buckets - so I'm guessing she's running over 400..

[TRENT]

Quick Question euk. Where you have your fitting for the airline going in the Mini-Reg, what do you see? One side is for a gauge, the other is for the airline. If you have mixed those up I think the air going into the gun will bypass the Regulator, meaning adjusting it does nothing.

[eukanuba]

The side that was previously accepting the input was just a solid blank with a small hole, there was nothing visible ( in the past with air america reg's - that would be the side that the guage is on )

On the other side ( which I changed to ) there appeared to be a visible small brass piston. So it would appear that it was being used as a flow through.
I really need to get my hands on a barrel mounted chrono ( the kind with the velcro that goes over the barrel ) so I can test it..

I'm gonna leave it till I can get to the field next..

[TRENT]

Ok sounds like u have it the right way then.

[heavyduty1340]

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[Action John]

Whitey's A-bomb had a similar problem, you just couldn't turn it down. Swapped the front reg over and it's fixed.

[vendetta6]

Ok dude, I am a Intimidator tech. Make sure your LPR is at 75-80psi. Turn your torpedo reg all the way out, then turn it in until you get to your desried velocity. This should be from 175psi-225psi. Make sure yuor dwell is suited to your solenoid, and you have a fresh battery, and rear ram oring. If that doesnt work, ill give up my tech status lol.

[vendetta6]

just read a little more,.... DO NOT single reg your timmy, run the pre-set tank into the torpedo regulator. It is an awesome reg that has gots lots of flow. If you were to single regulate it you must run 175-225psi out of your tank directly into the gun.

[eukanuba]

turn your torpedo reg all the way out, then turn it in until you get to your desried velocity.

what happens if you turn it all the way out and the FPS doesnt drop ?
( after cycling the marker a few times every adjustment of course )

I am very thorough with my maintenance and cleaning, lube everything that need's lubing.. and everything is always kept spotless on my marker.

vendetta, have you found different solenoid's to perform differently ? I keep hearing people raving about humphrey noid's..

you're in the know, please share ! :thumbsup:

How much did you're tech course cost to do ? I wanted to go back to the states and do a timmy tech course at the end of the year... finding info about doing a course hasn't been easily obtainable.. ( well, not that I could find anyhow )

[vendetta6]

what happens if you turn it all the way out and the FPS doesnt drop ?
( after cycling the marker a few times every adjustment of course )

I am very thorough with my maintenance and cleaning, lube everything that need's lubing.. and everything is always kept spotless on my marker.

vendetta, have you found different solenoid's to perform differently ? I keep hearing people raving about humphrey noid's..

you're in the know, please share ! :thumbsup:

How much did you're tech course cost to do ? I wanted to go back to the states and do a timmy tech course at the end of the year... finding info about doing a course hasn't been easily obtainable.. ( well, not that I could find anyhow )
If you turn the torpedo all the way out and the gun is still firing you have a bad torpedo, or some bad seals inside. Make sure you have a little clear/white ring instead of a flat yellow washer in your reg.(Its behind the brass nut/pin combo.

I have the new Humphreys in my dragon, but all solenoids work well. If you want to make your timmy into a high performance machine then get the new noid. It runs at 8ms dwell and has the flow of the older 14-16ms noids. The lower ms you run your system the faster the gun cycles.

I am not officially certified, although I have teched over 200 timmys easily, and I have been shooting them since the first classics came out.