View Full Version : TES same as spyder?
dYsTrOyA
29-01-2005, 01:20 PM
I recently read (I think it was on Bills) that the TES is a spyder clone, and therefore uses Spyder upgrades and parts. Is this so? because spyder parts are much more readily available (from what ive seen) than dragun TES parts (in fact, havent come across any yet.)
Cheers guys, also, if I were to buy a TES and upgrade the barrel, what would your reccomendation be? - oh its gotta be available via action or pwsports or some other Aust. supplier
Thanks again
Look on www.pbreview.com. Thats a start. :thumbsup:
dYsTrOyA
29-01-2005, 03:10 PM
While the stock barrel is better than most, I would highly recommend to anyone who wants to play seriously to get a barrel kit. I use the J&J Edge ceramic kit, and have seen great results with it. Slick as hell and accurate. Spyder-threaded, by the way. So that sorts out the barrel thread, thanks Legs for the suggestion. How about grips and bolts etc. ? Anyone fully done over one of these?
Thanks
Grips... there are no grips for the tes. But some people have thought of good ways to make their own.
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?threadid=505854
There is a category called "dragun parts" on pbreview too. Look there.
TRENT
29-01-2005, 04:41 PM
Bolts are easy. There are aftermarker bolt available and from what i have read pre-2k4 timmy bolts work. My 2k4 bolt goes in nicely but is to short. The older bolts where longer so i beleiev should be fine. If wanting to air you will need a different asa and most likely a different minireg due to the fact its gasline fitting is smaller than normal size.
dYsTrOyA
29-01-2005, 06:42 PM
'If wanting to air you will need a different asa and most likely a different minireg due to the fact its gasline fitting is smaller than normal size'
whats an asa? the minirig comes connected to the air tank doesnt it? - like a legionair or a conquest from Macdev?
TRENT
29-01-2005, 07:56 PM
the asa is what the legion air would screw into. The mini reg you could say is the handel bit towards the front of marker. It regulates the air coming from bottle. Where you adjust your velocity.
dYsTrOyA
29-01-2005, 08:15 PM
so the guns on action (TES on CO2 and Air in marker packages) would have different constructions (asa and minireg?) SO if I bought the one on CO2 it would be a pain to change it to air, not just simply a case of screwing in an air tank and 'off ya go'?
Thanks for the info Trent
you dont have to change anything on most of the reg'd blow backs I have seen its just better to have an on/off on your asa.
you can just screw a legion air straight into the std asa on the gun... I would be surprised if the Dragun was any diff.
But mate you ask so many basic Qs why dont you check out some of the local fields gear then you would see it first hand much easier to get a grasp than from answers on the net.
dYsTrOyA
29-01-2005, 08:54 PM
Quote: "due to the fact its gasline fitting is smaller than normal size"
I dont think your right blue, this is what Trent said. If this is correct (which he states is a fact) then it isnt as "simple as whacking in an air tank" Any change in the gasline fitting would have to be corrected, or I could imagine the gun wont go too far.
yes I saw what trent said and I still dont see how that is likely or that it would make sense.
The asa to tank relationship have nothing to do with the gas line other than pressure rating and flow rate.
So unless the TES has some strange asa that takes some strange CO2 thread then you shoud just be able to screw a preset air straight in.
This is how it is with every other asa equipped gun I have seen so maybe john or mike from action could clear it up.
That said I repeat that it is better to have an asa with on/off.
and like I said why not go down to a local field and check one out???
TRENT
29-01-2005, 09:41 PM
Beleive me it doesnt fit. The ASA on the Dragon is combined with a drop(all one pice). A scew in air wont fir because things such as gauge on bottle dont have enough room to screw in. Co2 doesnt have this problem as no gauges.
TRENT
29-01-2005, 09:43 PM
Oh i know this is true cause i spent a few hours yesterday playing with my brothers try to work out how to do it. After checking the pbnation forums pic thread i noticed that everyone running air had a new minireg and an different asa.
ahh now it makes sense
its actually astd asa but because it is combined with the drop we have an issue.
Still any $20 -$30 asa will fix that part what about the gas line fittings? you said they were a diff size?
it may be easier to buy a pmi or spider gun as I know some of have an adjustable drop/asa and std gas line fittings
Warpaint
30-01-2005, 12:04 AM
If this is the case, then what are Action selling with their TES + Centerflag package? The photo shows the integrated drop forward-Air System Adapter you descriped with the Centerflag preset (admittedly, not with the air system screwed in though).
As an aside, how about venting the air system, removing the gauges, then screwing the air system in, and after that screw the gauges back in. (I have an old marker that requires this sort of painful from the ground up processes for maintenance, but then a thoroughly modern Oracle database required a something similar just this week...)
The photo on the Action site appears to show a screw hole for a bolt holding the the drop forward to the asa. If this is the case you would unbolt, screw in the air, then re-attach the ASA to the drop forward. This is too obvious, so I must be mistaking what I am seeing .....
Warpaint
30-01-2005, 12:07 AM
P.S. The only asa I've come across with a different thread was for a crossball - a piece of junk pumpy that I think was manufactured somewhere in Central America. Came with it's own, incompatible with anything else CO2 tank.
dYsTrOyA
30-01-2005, 02:00 AM
well there you go, if the thread is the same on all asa's (minus the random) then it should be ok. Maybe Mike could fill us in about what mods need to be done to a CO2 TES to change it into an air-TES.
In relation to the pic, I recognised the same thing Warpaint on action. Perhaps it is just for display purposes? Hopefully Mike ;) can help us clear this whole thing up
Cheers for the feedback boys
Kenty
30-01-2005, 02:04 AM
If this is the case, then what are Action selling with their TES + Centerflag package? The photo shows the integrated drop forward-Air System Adapter you descriped with the Centerflag preset (admittedly, not with the air system screwed in though).
As an aside, how about venting the air system, removing the gauges, then screwing the air system in, and after that screw the gauges back in. (I have an old marker that requires this sort of painful from the ground up processes for maintenance, but then a thoroughly modern Oracle database required a something similar just this week...)
The photo on the Action site appears to show a screw hole for a bolt holding the the drop forward to the asa. If this is the case you would unbolt, screw in the air, then re-attach the ASA to the drop forward. This is too obvious, so I must be mistaking what I am seeing .....
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :respekt: good work
Maybe Mike could fill us in about what mods need to be done to a CO2 TES to change it into an air-TES.
Yeah, im trying to get the money together to get an air system at the moment. I wouldnt mind knowing this. ;)
I always thought you just screw the air system in...like co2. :o
TRENT
30-01-2005, 01:51 PM
Hmmmm, sounds like a bit of work. A new Cp reg is like $80 and will regulate the air much better and be easier to maintain. The dragon is much better than a spyder it seems as when trying on co2 and dry firing it although the whole thing turned to ice it still fired, while spyders to to freeze up completelty and not work.
dYsTrOyA
30-01-2005, 05:29 PM
yeh, if we could get mike to reply to this he could tell us what he does to the TES gun-only he is sent to turn them into air-running markers ;) ;) :D
yeah well any gun that freezes solid is a either a piece of junk or not setup right.
I have seen guys run around with pmi guns all day with air and co2 shooting flatout with no probs and they have no issues screwing presets or co2 into the guns.
why dont you email mike to see what they do for the tes
HAYDEN
30-01-2005, 10:38 PM
Not that I care about these (insert slag off) but i saw Andrew(PW sports)run 2 of them today on air.Took him all of 10 mins to set up.Cant see what all the fuss is about.
P.S. Mike wont reply to you because he will be busy setting up and helping co-ordinate the tourny in Brisvegas next w/end.
eukanuba
31-01-2005, 11:10 AM
yeah well any gun that freezes solid is a either a piece of junk or not setup right.
If it's an electro spyder, they do have a safety feature in the electronics that stops them for about 15 seconds if they ice over in the tube to prevent damage.
I wouldn't shoot that fast on co2 anyhow to worry about it - however, I did once force a spyder to go ice and put it on full auto.. mind you, I had to tilt the gun down so it was sucking co2 and give it heaps to get it cold enough.. but you get the idea..
Action John
31-01-2005, 12:57 PM
If this is the case, then what are Action selling with their TES + Centerflag package? The photo shows the integrated drop forward-Air System Adapter you descriped with the Centerflag preset (admittedly, not with the air system screwed in though).
As an aside, how about venting the air system, removing the gauges, then screwing the air system in, and after that screw the gauges back in. (I have an old marker that requires this sort of painful from the ground up processes for maintenance, but then a thoroughly modern Oracle database required a something similar just this week...)
The photo on the Action site appears to show a screw hole for a bolt holding the the drop forward to the asa. If this is the case you would unbolt, screw in the air, then re-attach the ASA to the drop forward. This is too obvious, so I must be mistaking what I am seeing .....
If you buy the combo pack from us with the airsystem we will supply you with a Smart Parts preset adapter. You screw this into the dumpy and then screw your preset into it. This also gives you the advantage of having an on/off tap.
If you buy the combo pack from us with the airsystem we will supply you with a Smart Parts preset adapter. You screw this into the dumpy and then screw your preset into it. This also gives you the advantage of having an on/off tap.
I used one of these SP preset adapter for a while until I got a drop forward with an on/off. The preset adapter works fine & even better if part of the package.
dYsTrOyA
31-01-2005, 02:31 PM
ah good ol actionpaintball, always one step ahead. Cheers Action John. Very helpful.
yeh, if we could get mike to reply to this he could tell us what he does to the TES gun-only he is sent to turn them into air-running markers ;) ;) :D
Step 1. unscrew Co2 bottle.
Step 2. screw in Preset HP air system (in same spot) :D
Step 3. adjust velocity up or down as required.
Nothing else is needed, if you want to go back to Co2, simply swap steps 1 and 2. :thumbsup:
Rainman
31-01-2005, 07:35 PM
Geez thats too hard Mike.
dYsTrOyA
31-01-2005, 07:48 PM
Does it keep its performance tho Mike? If so why do you include the smart parts thingo
dYsTrOyA
31-01-2005, 07:52 PM
BTE Kenty, is that a picture of a ghillie suit or something in your avvy???
eukanuba
01-02-2005, 04:41 PM
Does it keep its performance tho Mike? If so why do you include the smart parts thingo
The smart parts " Thingo " is an on/off for your preset.. you screw it on to the regulator, and it allows you to turn off the gas so that you can safely remove the air from your toy.
If you don't de-gas the toy you risk damaging the threads on your ASA and the Preset Cylinder/Reg because of the pressure against it as you are unscrewing it.
Also, it saves you wasting gas and air every time you work on your marker.
BTE Kenty, is that a picture of a ghillie suit or something in your avvy???
It's a kitten passed out in it's food bowl.
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