View Full Version : Rec ball teams
Patrick
16-10-2004, 11:14 AM
Are there many rec ball teams around, as opposed to individual regular rec ball players? Even just tournament teams that occasionally play rec ball as a team?
I'm asking this because this is what myself and two of my friends are doing - we really like the team aspect of tournaments, but like the style of rec ball play. So we've decided to start a rec ball team in Brisbane. Since we live on the North side, we'll be playing mostly at Samford and Top Gun, assuming they will let us use our own gear.
So far we have decided on a uniform - green trousers with black long sleeve t-shirt and vest, replacing the green trousers with black ones for night games. Because we're also a bunch of cheap-asses we've decided to use only pumps, so we can use only 100 paintballs in a day, and get all the trigger happy rental-semi toting guys in overalls to provide the cover fire. Hopefully by using pumps we can more easily convince the field owners to let us use them as we won't be going around with 15 bps monsters, even if we do have to still pay the marker hire fee for the privilege. Does national paintball fields let people use their own markers?
Even if no individual markers were allowed, I think having an organised squad running around in the midst of all the individual guys with rental weapons would be fun. It also means you don't have alot of the restrictions that are on tournament play, so that means grenades, radios, EMP bombs to knock out the electronic semis... :evil
As a final thought, would there be any chance of playing against other teams of more experienced rec players on a regular basis? Like say have a team of 3 experienced guys on each side supported by aobut 20 newbies.
:rofl: :hammer: :rofl: :hammer: :rofl: :cry: :hammer: :rolleyes:
Willy
16-10-2004, 05:38 PM
i know wat your talkin bout. i have a group of atleast 3 and we try to make it to all night games at npf and stuff and we always stick together as a team. a rec ball tourney would be kinda kool.
Actionboy
16-10-2004, 05:53 PM
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Patrick
16-10-2004, 08:41 PM
Heh, obviously some pople are confused :)
But why should tournament style games be the only ones where you get to have teams that actuallly work together and train? Why should you be limited to playing football with guns if you want to use proper teamwork?
If the rec ball side of the sport is going to expand, people need to get serious and treat it as a sport, rather than just an excuse to wear camoflage and run around alot. Having teams that do train like tournament teams and wear uniforms is one way of advancing the quality of recreational play as it brings the best aspects of tournaments into the format of rec-ball. This caters to the interests of players like myself that like serious rec-ball but also like being associated with a team.
What would be good to do is to try and establish a network of dedicated rec players that do get together in groups like Willy just mentioned. The minimum size of a rec session is 10 players, so you could arrange to have one-day tournaments between two or more teams, more if you had the numbers. It would be the same as normal rec-ball play, just that each side would be made up of more experienced players in uniforms.
If anyone here is up for this kind of thing, post here and we'll see if we can get something going, even if it's just between two teams. There will be a rec-ball tournament in Brisbane and all you doubting tournament players are going to eat your all your :hammer: , :rolleyes: and :confused: smilies! :respekt:
Sonic
17-10-2004, 07:21 AM
Dude, I understand you like that side of paintball, but for the moment, there is no dedicated rec ball scene in Australia, though that might change later as the gun laws change for the better. However, most of us here at Bills play tournaments and look down on simulated military games as they might look like paramilitary training to outsiders and give paintball a bad name. So if you want to go and play army, best play counterstrike on the PC, otherwise if the teamwork and competitive aspects appeal to you, give tournaments a shot! :)
BTW, I wouldn't mind playing a big scenario day though some day...
Patrick
17-10-2004, 12:41 PM
I don't want to play army, I just want to play a more relaxed style of play. Rec ball isn't simulated military games. It's just what happens in tournaments - capture the flag, minus the evil clown outfits and $100 entry fees. If you think rec ball gives paintball a bad name, isn't that not supporting the basis of the sport?
Why do you think tournaments don't look like paramilitary training to outsiders? After all, you get together in teams, spend thousands of dollars on firearms, and spend a good proportion of your money and time on getting opportunities to shoot other people. That's more paramilitary than the rec-baller who only plays 6 times a year and only spends a few hundred on a marker. Maybe the rec baller will get together with some other people to improve their skills occasionally, but not to the extent the tournament players will.
What's wrong with trying to introduce the same level of organisation seen in tournaments into rec-ball? All I'm talking about here is estalbishing a database of players so that games can be organised and different players set up against players of similiar skill levels. I don't see how that is playing army or engaging in paramilitary training. The end result is the same as what is going on every week at paintball fields around the country, just more organised.
I wear my own camo so don't have to wear the vile rental overalls that haven't been washed properly. My friends wear the same outfit for the same reaosns, and so we can more easily distinguish each other on the field. That's not paramilitary. Also, we intend to enter the odd 3-person tournament, just we like rec ball too. So we do alot of our playing in rec ball games as a team so we can play better in tournaments.
If the problem is that there's no dedicated rec ball scene in Ausralia yet, then someone has to step in and start creating it. What I've done is created a database of a few of the rec players I know. This would simply just set up a club of rec ball players who can then more easily get the numbers together for private sessions. If there are any players in Brisbane who'd like to be on this database, then let me know.
Actionboy
17-10-2004, 04:23 PM
Good point patrick !!!!
TRENT
17-10-2004, 08:04 PM
OMG. How is not wearing camo and sneaking round in the bush not war like. Tourney paintball is no where near paramilitary. We run in the open, wear sports uniforms which stand out like shit and hide behind inflattable bunkers.
Not knocking Rec-ball its a legit type of paintball unfortunaly though just not here in Australia as its seen as very war like which in many ways it is. Most ballas in aussy play tourney not only because it is a lot more team based but because it is seen as less war like and we hope it gives paintball in australia a better name.
Disco
17-10-2004, 08:54 PM
mm shooting at each other is not war like? umm how is that?
no matter what you say ppl will always say that paintabll is like war were your aim is to shoot,mark your enemy ( oppenent )
I liek rec ball is more fun lasts longer ie games times are up in the 5- 10 minute brackets not the 2 min or less in most tourneys ( mm seen one game last 30 secs! ) thats no fun to me.
hell i went to wasp a few weeks back and played rec ball and had a frigging blast! much more fun than tourneys, was talkign to one of the refs and he said the same thing.
give me rec ball any day over tourney play!
I be up for a REC ball team in WA for sure and a nice semi marker with motorised hopper be fine! no need to outlay 1k or more on a marker+ air
i be happy to pay $100 for a days play as long as we coudl supply our own paint like tourneys
Thin edge of the debate Disco and Patrick.
Paintball in general has the war image to many but tourney ball has to be the farthest poitn away from the image with colour uniforms & barricades.
A lot different to rec ball which use cammo and fields with forts etc.
I dont think anyone is saying its shouldnt happen as thats how many tourny players here started but that recball and tourny are very different.
Deadeye
18-10-2004, 01:21 PM
I dont think anyone whos seen tournament paintball would ever say its a war game its nothing of the sort.
Willy
18-10-2004, 04:54 PM
firstly im in brissy and want in on that database. so does a heap of my mates. as it was put, no matter how you look at paintball its war like. u say bright coloured clothing? camo is just a type of coloured clothing. we are just all conditioned to view it as military only. i dont see it giving paintball anyworse a name as when u first mention paintball to someone whos never played the first thing they think of is bush+guns. realistically its no different just gives ppl a chance to get used to different surroundings, like all rec ball fields have to offer. a way to build up a bit more skill rather than the same sup-air field over and over. but each to their own i guess. im putting a team in the comp next year, and have played a couple of times with the guys at samford on the supair and love it. but ill still always have a place for recball.
im with ya on this one patrick, list me down.
Rainman
18-10-2004, 06:00 PM
Good on you guys for trying to organise something like this.Just a question though, when you guys get this up and running, how are you going to cater for people that get tagged and not want to take it out.Are you looking at having referees and such for that cheater aspect?It is soooooo easy to cheat in the bush.
Willy
18-10-2004, 06:40 PM
id like to think that if we got people from here out playing rec wed all play honestly. i dunno, cant do much else than an honor system i suppose.
Dougie The Pizza Boy
18-10-2004, 06:45 PM
Good on you guys for trying to organise something like this.Just a question though, when you guys get this up and running, how are you going to cater for people that get tagged and not want to take it out.Are you looking at having referees and such for that cheater aspect?It is soooooo easy to cheat in the bush.
must agree with rainy.... I played a scenario game a while back and it was the most frustrating aspect. Not neallly as bad as at night though, how the hell do you judge hits at night... and before someone says it. Honest as a rule does not work. :no:
Willy
18-10-2004, 07:42 PM
well i dont think anyone is talking about making it serious. i think patrick just means for a bit of fun
Disco
18-10-2004, 11:44 PM
dont play rec ball in the bush! too easy for cheats!
my only rec ball has being at WASP were the fields are smallish and fun! with 2 refs that are very competent
what - recball is born for the bush!
Deadeye
19-10-2004, 12:56 PM
rec ball..meh
Disco
19-10-2004, 11:44 PM
mm lest go play recball dead eye me and you one on one!
Deadeye would smack you around DISCO!!!
Deadeye
20-10-2004, 05:43 PM
oi ive got a JT camo do rag youll never see me:p
Rainman
20-10-2004, 10:24 PM
And Scott googles as well, with orange lenses.
Seriously I think Patrik is talking seriously, it is a step up from normal rec ball. Correct me if I am wrong.And there is always cheater factor.
Willy
21-10-2004, 10:01 AM
yeah i think hes talking a step up. but i mean, theres always gonna be cheating. and it cant be helped. just have a few more judges on the field.
Hardcore
21-10-2004, 10:54 AM
Yes, refs with Mags with no tourny cap on them.
"You cheated, NOW TASTE THE PAIN!!!"
Disco
21-10-2004, 11:22 AM
Deadeye would smack you around DISCO!!!
WOHOO i say bring it on!
pfft deadey to rag...
:fu:
captinsane
22-10-2004, 08:53 AM
Love your work Patrick mate....bloody awesome ideas...i am with you the whole way!!!
I have group of guys about 5 strong. We are part of a church youth group but we run our own show relatively and as part of what we do for fun we go laser and are going as a gorup to Top gun in a month or two as VIP ticket dudes (they are booked to the max). We have started learning team tactics, bounding overwatch and all that stuff, Camoflague concealment and decoy (CC&D) etc, etc, for a while (we have only been active for about a month or two). We are working our way up to getting a few licences and pumps (because like you...we are really poor). We would be more than happy to paint you, just give us some time to get together and put the stuff in place. We plan on getting kitted out by the end of January. Looking at purchasing a pair of uniden UHF sets as well, smoke grenades (if we are allowed hehehehe...) etc.
I'll PM you.
TRENT
22-10-2004, 10:25 AM
Sounds fun, however i laught when people say it isnt as war like as tourney paintball.
We have started learning team tactics, bounding overwatch and all that stuff, Camoflague concealment and decoy (CC&D) etc, etc, ..... Looking at purchasing a pair of uniden UHF sets as well, smoke grenades (if we are allowed hehehehe...) etc.
:lol:
Wayno
22-10-2004, 10:46 AM
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vonsplatt
22-10-2004, 07:22 PM
You need to stop worrying about people thinking paintball is warlike. It is much better
accepted in the general community ,than you think , because so many people have played socially.
The dickheads ,who worry about "warlike" are going to persecute us no matter what.
I have had my laser guns blamed for the war in Iraq. Logic does not work with imbeciles like this. Fortunately they are an increasingly unfashionable minority.
When I am able to ,I will definitely welcome rec ball.
One warning though, I am likely to be harsh and uncompromising towards cheats. They will understand that I want them playing elsewhere permanently. When I owned the backpackers hostel, I found out excluding or evicting arseholes was good for business. I don't see paintball being any different.
Rec ball is more relaxing. There is time to think (very helpful at my age),and and a different aesthetic.
Disco
23-10-2004, 09:35 AM
One warning though, I am likely to be harsh and uncompromising towards cheats. They will understand that I want them playing elsewhere permanently. When I owned the backpackers hostel, I found out excluding or evicting arseholes was good for business. I don't see paintball being any different.
Rec ball is more relaxing. There is time to think (very helpful at my age),and and a different aesthetic.
here here :clap: :clap: agree 100%
heavyduty1340
23-10-2004, 10:01 PM
Hey Disco -And Everyone Else
We have started a new field in Busselton and
apart from being a commercial business we want to promote rec ball in both
bush and speed ball situations
We also want to make the field available to marker owners who want to be
able to come out and have some fun with other players both novice and
experienced
If anyones interested give us a call Faedy 0417 992163 Rob 0415967646
We are called "Cape Fear Paintball" and will have a web site up soon
capefearpaintball.com.au - may take a month to load
Disco
24-10-2004, 08:18 PM
mmm what are the prices etc sounds liek good fun but it about 2hrs drive there!
Kemical
24-10-2004, 10:08 PM
Yeah bring on the rec-ball...Personally I think its a good idea to diversify the paintball sport to cater for everyone, so if you wanna play rec-ball you can play rec-ball. May not suit everyone's taste, but then you dont have to play it if thats the case.
If people are worried that rec-ball or tourney will make paintball look like paramilitary training then you need to take a cold shower. The left wing goodie, goodie's in this country think the whole sport is under that umbrella, so it dont make ditto difference eitherway. Just take the Athens Olympics for example...when our shooting team won gold how much media attention was brought to it compared to swimming and the other events. Political correctness, they dont want to promote that sport, they would rather take the guns off us.
Its up to us to promote the sport in a good light and drag our mates out with us so they can play it and rave about it, then they can do the same and so on and so forth....That's my five cents worth :)
If people are worried that rec-ball or tourney will make paintball look like paramilitary training then you need to take a cold shower. The left wing goodie, goodie's in this country think the whole sport is under that umbrella, so it dont make ditto difference eitherway. forth....That's my five cents worth :)
Ye of little faith.
As if the left wing goodies count.
Its a conservative force in Government.
Opportunities for plenty of positve images of paintball particularly tourney ball.
captinsane
25-10-2004, 10:07 AM
Paintball is always going to have "warlike" overtones but in my opinion...the reality of warfare must be so far seperated from paintball (rec or tourney) that it is incomparable. We are doing little more than throwing acrylic paint tubes at each other in an attempt to play tag. I just think that war is far, far different. It is an insult to service personel and to the sport to reconcile the two. War is hell, paintball is fun. They appear to have similarities but in the core reality of it all i don't believe that there is a tangible link.
TRENT
25-10-2004, 10:12 AM
I agree however certain areas of the public have a different view. :-(
captinsane
25-10-2004, 10:30 AM
Don't ban paintball...ban hate groups, ban fear... give the kids hope on the news, give them support for when their families break down or when their businesses go bankrupt, or when it all hits the fan.
It seems that there is a inconsistency in definitions.
Tourney = "bush ball" (to avoid us terminology of woodsball), scenario or speedball played at a tournament level as far as i understand. It is a more competitive and commited playing level with advanced tactics and skill.???????
Rec ball = 'bushball', scenario or speedball in a less competitive atmosphere. Less comittment, less level of skill and tactics.???????
Or am i wrong.????? This is the clarification on other forums but it would seem that the rec ball classification in this forum is applied only to "bush ball". WTF???
Confirmation so that the objectives of this forum can be attained?????
ok, i love paintball ...
i love tourneys (sup-air tourneys) but like most 'ballers here i started out in the bush, and i love it out there too! i'd be soooo keen to get my cams on, strap on a harness and enjoy some good old god-damn 'war like paintball', why the f*&k not! It's great fun creepy around on the ground hidden by bushes, watching someone walk right past you then popping them in the back ... why the hell not!
I couldnt give a rats arse if my neighbour thought i was 'training for war' ... at least i'd be somewhat prepared if our great nation was ever invaded. hehe, just picturing me on the front line - "I f&*king hit him ref, on his webbing! check him, check him! get him out of there ref!"
i love grass too, and supair ... i like quick games (one of our games at a SAPPA round lasted 37 seconds, yes, we won) but i also like to spend my time thinking about what is going on.
Frankly, whilst i enjoy supair paintball (and the 1000's of paintballs that get fired every second) nothing would make me happier then spending half the day with a single paintball in the chamber of an SL68 pump, hunting Deadeye down whilst he's busy spraying his 15bps into the frigging bush ....
Anyway, i cant remember why i started this reply so i guess i should wrap it up ...
Ciao for now girls, guys and the rest of you losers ....
Way to revive a dead post, Gupt! :hammer:
Some good points posted though.
ok, i love paintball ... ....
Dont we All :)
Crazy
05-12-2004, 09:27 PM
Dont we All :)
Amen Brother :respekt:
Shouldn't your name be OFFS = Oh For F*%$ Sake :rofl:
good idea
:thumbsup: :lol:
ok, i love paintball ...
i love tourneys (sup-air tourneys) but like most 'ballers here i started out in the bush, and i love it out there too! i'd be soooo keen to get my cams on, strap on a harness and enjoy some good old god-damn 'war like paintball', why the f*&k not! It's great fun creepy around on the ground hidden by bushes, watching someone walk right past you then popping them in the back ... why the hell not!
I couldnt give a rats arse if my neighbour thought i was 'training for war' ... at least i'd be somewhat prepared if our great nation was ever invaded. hehe, just picturing me on the front line - "I f&*king hit him ref, on his webbing! check him, check him! get him out of there ref!"
i love grass too, and supair ... i like quick games (one of our games at a SAPPA round lasted 37 seconds, yes, we won) but i also like to spend my time thinking about what is going on.
Frankly, whilst i enjoy supair paintball (and the 1000's of paintballs that get fired every second) nothing would make me happier then spending half the day with a single paintball in the chamber of an SL68 pump, hunting Deadeye down whilst he's busy spraying his 15bps into the frigging bush ....
Anyway, i cant remember why i started this reply so i guess i should wrap it up ...
Ciao for now girls, guys and the rest of you losers ....
No wonder you guys finished second! :rofl:
captinsane
06-12-2004, 05:19 PM
Yay rec ball!!!
sorry for killing the thread before...i was thinking too much and had too much to say and no really precise way to say it. should have kept my mouth shut. NE how....
went to Samford a few days ago and had great fun shooting the beejeesus out af some apparently "ex-sas" guy :respekt: :respekt: . Took a hostage too... :evil :evil that was fun...hehehe
went to Samford a few days ago and had great fun shooting the beejeesus out af some apparently "ex-sas" guy
Its funny how many "ex-sas" you find playing paintball and how averagely they seem to play..... :rolleyes:
bunkerboy
06-12-2004, 09:56 PM
Kinda satisfying ain't it? Elite? Huh!:lol:
Ahmed
18-12-2004, 08:23 AM
you all forget one important point :P
the BBQ's dont forget the BBQ's n food :lol:
Ahmed
18-12-2004, 08:30 AM
You need to stop worrying about people thinking paintball is warlike. It is much better
accepted in the general community ,than you think , because so many people have played socially.
The dickheads ,who worry about "warlike" are going to persecute us no matter what.
I have had my laser guns blamed for the war in Iraq. Logic does not work with imbeciles like this. Fortunately they are an increasingly unfashionable minority.
When I am able to ,I will definitely welcome rec ball.
One warning though, I am likely to be harsh and uncompromising towards cheats. They will understand that I want them playing elsewhere permanently. When I owned the backpackers hostel, I found out excluding or evicting arseholes was good for business. I don't see paintball being any different.
Rec ball is more relaxing. There is time to think (very helpful at my age),and and a different aesthetic.
bah! paint rules :P what they gonna do ban water pistols too? Next they will try to ban Tip incase it gets violent.
Yeah bout the cheats paint feilds should hit hard on em. Its just not fun to play rec games when everyone wants to cheat. Whats the point? you may as well line em all up face to face and let them paint each other stupid. :lol:
hmmm even that sounds temtin! :armed:
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