Rec Ball Revival or Death? [Archive]

captinsane

20-09-2004, 04:20 PM

Is it just me or is rec ball completely dead in here?

I keep getting told that it is on it's last legs...Is it true?

There's definately no traffic on this forum...Is it a sign?

As some would know, i am still just starting out in paintball and the thing that got me hooked was rec ball. Dressing up in cams and knocking about like loonies in the bush. Does it have too end?...I hope not!

UR thoughts???

:confused: :thumbsup: :thumbsdow :yes: :no: :confused:

Crazy

20-09-2004, 04:27 PM

Rec ball will always have a place in paintball it's just that not many purebred Recballers visit this site.
Maybe field operators could advertise Bills at their fields as an educational tool?

Big Gav

20-09-2004, 04:46 PM

I think that when it was expensive and difficult to get good semi markers most players went straight from retail rec to tournament. There was really no middle ground and you have to remember that tournament ball more often than not was played on the rec ball style fields. Hence rec ball just did not exist. But now the whole paintball scene as we have known it is changing. For example we now can sell a semi auto R6 Piranha at a retail price of $160.00! Electro Trigger EVO for $550.00 that’s heaps better than spending thousands on a second hand job like the old days. So now that markers are affordable rec ball style player may and will buy their own set up. Now these guys will out grow Retail Rec game you would have to have rocks in your head to let them go out and bash up your customers bad for business and bad for the game, so these guys will need to be accommodated at fields so club type groups of rec ballers will be forming its inevitable. Now these guys may not find the SupAir type game to their liking some will and will go onto tournament play but a good number of these gun totting fun machines will be thinking big game scenarios and action in the bush and bunkers.

So in my opinion Rec Ball is going to grow no Boom over the next 2 years. So keep your chin up Captinsane. Be a little patient and look toward helping build something that you can be apart of. :thumbsup:

Ren

20-09-2004, 06:19 PM

if the rest of the country changes their laws allowing personal ownership of markers I think the rec scene will expand. Costs of paintball will be reduced for the people who would like to play more frequently and owning your own marker will make it more enjoyable for the frequent visitors. I also hope that good quality paint will become more readily available, cause no matter how straight your gun shoots, if the paints no good then its just not accurate. I am hopeful that a change is in the wind...

TRENT

20-09-2004, 06:28 PM

Yeah as a tourney player I love playing tournments but rec ball is fun on occassions for a change. Problem is getting punters interested in taking it up as a sport however only a very small percentage <1% take it up due the the belief its ultra expenisve as in we pay punter prices of $16-$25 for 100 balls. Only when the public understands paintball is much cheaper will the sport grow and serious rec ball and tournment paintball take off in a sense.

captinsane

20-09-2004, 07:35 PM

Yeah, but it's only cheaper in tourney's when you can take ur own paint in. We have to pay premium for the fields paint everytime we play rec. Top Gun have a membership deal where you can get discount paint...more of these options would keep the money flowing through the fields, but as a consumer...I know I assume i will always be able to get them at a better rate.

The other thing is that i believe (am i right?) that fields make their dough from the sale of paint...in order for the sport to have the commercial support (and less face it...there is no way it would survive or expand without it CHEERS!) we need to support the fields! They need the money. But still. Is there a way that paint can be cheaper...

I know i am a novice and excuse my ametuerishness but...what about increasing gun hire...reduceing paint purchase (paint still brought through fields) so they balance out for your average rec newbie (including the expected increase in hosing newbies due to cheaper prices) so the regulars get a kind of 'loyalty-to-the-sport' bonus. This won't get the same 'location loyalty' but i'm sure that will happen anyway due to their geographical position.

:kiss:

captinsane

20-09-2004, 07:51 PM

It's just that i know that if i am to become a regular at the sport...get better I need to either go tourney and commit big time to it (and commit the money) or i go maybe go a few times per year, pay big and never get better 'cause i'm always playing other newbies ( :cry: ) or i buy a marker, paintballs, run off to the bush and shoot my friends...the whole time worried that some red tape loving beurecrat wants to tie up my butt and sue my pants off, and the whole time getting flak from people reckoning that we are gonna be completely immature and distroy the respect that the game has lost in the last few years.

WE don't...we just wanna play ball, and get better at it...and at the moment, it's impossible because we simply cannot afford it.

Sorry about the b*&^ session guys. Had to get it out.
:cry: :cry: :cry:
:kiss:
:)

TRENT

20-09-2004, 08:34 PM

Fields could always charge a high field fee to cover there expenses and profit or charge a smaller field fee and make it Field paint only at a reasonable price depending on the quality. eg $60-80 for practice paint and $80-$100 for Tourney Paint.

Hideous

20-09-2004, 08:35 PM

Yeah as a tourney player I love playing tournments but rec ball is fun on occassions for a change.

I had a few approach me at a field on the weekend to see why I was dressed up in bright clothes and carrying hundreds of paintballs.

They freaked out when I said I normally carry 900 paintballs for a single game lasting 7 minutes. For them that was $171.00 per game.

Looking at new wiz bang markers in the shop, the outlay of $1900 - $ 2,600 for the marker alone is huge, but a cheap "total CO2" outfit is $500!

Buy that, add everything you need, and then the field owner may do a deal on paint -- but then ask you not to use your new marker cos the other rec ballers might get upset, or they dont trust you not overshooting.
Or worse still... not have air at the field. < bang goes another $500+ in a scuba fill station>

It's easy to see where paintball is growing. I am always happy when I see a pro shop at a field, it means there are will be regulars !!!!

TRENT

20-09-2004, 08:40 PM

Yep lots of very good points. Hopefully field owners will take these things on board as its the only way the sport will grow anywhere near the US.

i8dafrog

20-09-2004, 09:38 PM

I was in the same boat about 6 months ago i also got hooked on rec ball, the first time i played was my 18th bout 20 mates and i went over 2 heartbreak ridge and played and the winner of the day was the bloke that ended up with the most welts :lol:

i got hooked and about 6 moths ago found action painball and i think in the last 6-8 months i have spent about $2,000 on playing and gear, but it was mad the boys and girls at action were really good i was always asking questions they always had answer. :thumbsup:
They also recomended bills being new i could learn alot from all u guys and girls, and i have, :thumbsup:
never played comp or anything like it and as a result i am now playing in the muppet team in the masters and celebrating my 21st on the same weekend , mmmm simply magical :lol: :thumbsup: :beer:

So cheers pples for all your help and info and advice ,Yzo, Tom, Hardcore, Jamie and all u other guys and thank christ for Paintball..
cheers sorry bout the essay :no:
:respekt: :respekt:

Whitey

21-09-2004, 01:24 AM

Build it and they will come.

Mike

21-09-2004, 04:15 AM

The answer is simple. Buy all your own gear and the price of playing drops drasmatically. You don't have to buy the most expensive toy in the shop (although this can be pretty cool! :thumbsup: ), even start out with something second hand just to get your foot in the door!

The paintball operator does not have to give you everything to play it is so much easier (and cheaper) for everybody. Just remember operators have high running costs to maintain.................such as their private jets, villas in France, supermodel girlfriends etc....................... :lol:

Yzo

21-09-2004, 08:55 AM

, villas in France,

speaking of mike,

i'm still waiting for that bottle of shiraz from your vinyard :bundy:

TRENT

21-09-2004, 09:00 AM

Very true Mike, but how many fields actually explain the true cost of playing paintball as a sport at the days end ect once you have your own gear. Not many i think.

Mike

21-09-2004, 06:52 PM

Very true Mike, but how many fields actually explain the true cost of playing paintball as a sport at the days end ect once you have your own gear. Not many i think.

The same could be said for any business though...... you don't see the manager at the local Maccas coming out to explain the price of a Big Mac meal every time. The responsibilty lies with the customer, after all, what businees would want to give away their products/services for a fraction of the normal price to all their customers........ So no one really can not expect all the fields to give away their margins to everybody.

TRENT

21-09-2004, 07:18 PM

Hideous

21-09-2004, 07:31 PM

So no one really can not expect all the fields to give away their margins to everybody.

Very true, looking at the stock ANY BUSINESSS is expected to carry, there must always be a margin that keeps a business going.
What is the point of breaking even ? NONE.
As my accountant said anything less than 20% margin is NOT business, its a charity.

These computers we are using can have up to 150% mark up on parts or on average 30-50% on systems.
Anyone work in IT ? HP charge clients such as the Banks $220 -$260 per hour, but the contractor gets only $25 per hour.

Trent only refers to Victoria which has its own special issues, so its very hard to convince friends not only to drive 3 hours to where they can legally play, but to fork out $380 per case even once stops them from going back.

I am working on another office paintball day here in Vic. But as the organiser/sponsor I have to look at the paint costs closely.

captinsane

21-09-2004, 08:25 PM

The answer is simple. Buy all your own gear and the price of playing drops drasmatically.
The paintball operator does not have to give you everything to play it is so much easier (and cheaper) for everybody

Yeah...but what fields let you use ur own marker and paint at a REC game? :(

Rainman

21-09-2004, 08:34 PM

Action Paintball
www.actionpaintball.com.au
Phone 02 9679 0011
Has special deals for ppl with own gear. :respekt: :respekt:

captinsane

21-09-2004, 08:58 PM

Awesome.............ne one in SE QLD follow suit?

Whitey

22-09-2004, 03:30 AM

Mate I think Top Gun runs member days for people with their own gear. You could also talk to Big Gav they maybe getting something going.

Mike

22-09-2004, 05:57 AM

WTF has maccas got to do with paintball. We are talking about a sport. Most sports people understand the real costs of playing a sport. Unfortunatly most people believe paintball costs punter prices always. Wasnt really having a go at you but the opposite as you are one of the only fields to try and show it is cheaper than that by advertising the training days and the prices for that.

business is business dude.

p.s no one is having a go at anyone. It is all cool (although that Whitey guy is a bit suss!) :lol:

TOAD

22-09-2004, 10:13 AM

Well i work on a feild up here in NQ and we have a a group called frequent players club, where you join up pay $50 and this reduces you game fees (covers marker hire,feild use) and paint down to $10 per hundred. This systems seem to work we now are starting to get these people coming up and playing more and more. As for using your own gear, up here if you do have your own gun u have to speak with the feild owner and then ask the group/s playing that day if it's alright buy them. In saying that though not many people have there own gear up here so this isnt a big problem...yet. and also we have training days up here when we get together and clean the feilds in the morning then the feild owner usually shouts use 500 free then charges use just over price paint (100-110 a box..remebering freight up to here) and yeh thats about it... ;) :rolleyes:

Souse

22-09-2004, 10:19 AM

AGGS

22-09-2004, 12:54 PM

Down here Electro lets Mike have his wicked way with him before coming out to training, i havent seen Electro take his wallet out yet..... :lol:

Blobby

22-09-2004, 02:20 PM

WTF has maccas got to do with paintball. We are talking about a sport. Most sports people understand the real costs of playing a sport. Unfortunatly most people believe paintball costs punter prices always. Wasnt really having a go at you but the opposite as you are one of the only fields to try and show it is cheaper than that by advertising the training days and the prices for that.

last i checked paintball still wasnt a sport in aus.....when and if it ever is then the federal funding may help CLUBS and such out so it will be cheaper.....till then paintball is a business......started that way 20+years ago and it still is all around the world.....

captinsane

22-09-2004, 04:02 PM

Willy

22-09-2004, 04:33 PM

my opinion is, (since ive been going to tourney training), that even tho its cheaper, and awesum fun. there is a different thrill u get from sneaking through the bush, fighting around bases and through trenches and stuff. i would love to see rec ball get bigger and bigger. it would be awesum. and in time i think it will grow. as for money, i go to tourney prac, spend $80 on a case of 2000 balls. use them in no time. go to rec ball. buy like 500 paintballs. they last till the end. either way it seems to cost similar amounts to me so tsall good.

Dougie The Pizza Boy

22-09-2004, 04:43 PM

Yeah...but what fields let you use ur own marker and paint at a REC game? :(

No field is going to let you use your own paint for a rec game, there are overheads the operators need to make up. If your not spending any money at the field, what covers their overheads? You effectivly want to use their facility, staff and the like for nothing!!!Even if you play footy you need to pay a rego fee which covers insurance, field maintenance, electricity e.t.c. e.t.c. Whilst im sure paintball didnt start as a business, the simple fact is it needs to be to grow and survive. For example try and import 1 box of paint from the states (Legally you cannot without a license). It will cost you a fortune, as there is no economy of scale. A BUSINESS can on the other hand import 400 boxes of paint at a reduced price, and hence the per box rate drops, and our price gets cheaper....Look how much the price of paint has fallen over the years as the game has grown.

If you like playing the REC game, great, if you can get 20 people who are like you then perhaps you approach some field operators and see what deal you can do with them....

Sorry for the long winded reply....Work is quite :sleep:

AGGS

22-09-2004, 04:45 PM

Sorry for the long winded reply....Work is quite :sleep:

Then make me a pizza :lol:

Dougie The Pizza Boy

22-09-2004, 04:54 PM

Then make me a pizza :lol:

MMMMM just polishing off a meatball monster actually.

AGGS

22-09-2004, 05:20 PM

Ok that aint funny :no:

Hideous

22-09-2004, 06:21 PM

BUT BUT BUT.............. BYO paint is a different issue.

The Field I used in Minnesota sold Paint at a price that you didn't need to byo. Issue was that you always bought more than you needed.
It was still $60-80 AU a case

Hire of gear $20, field fee $25 included airfills ~$75AU for a full day

The regulars were fodder for the punters they ran, and they had a policy of "no discounts" unless asked for.

Issue is you can have a paintball game practically anywhere there ..
Here in Australia you need a "paintball activity center" which require staff, equipment, potentially huge liability insurance cover, secure premises, dealers licences, etc etc etc etc and the list goes on. >>>> that all has to be setup and developed before you can even decide what is a decent profit margin.

Lean times require covering capital and cash reserves... that is all from profit.
Bring in a few markers, sit them on the shelf - bang goes another $20K of that punter $$$. add more stock.... more $$$.

Blobby

22-09-2004, 07:29 PM

It didn't start that way Blooby...it started with a few nutts (but good) people who were looking for a way to kill time so they got their heads together, used a little improvisation, brought (or stole) some paintball marking tree guns and shot each other for the hell of it. Probably cost them next too nothing...far removed from what it has become.

not that it has become something bad...just different...and with it comes new and different challenges.

well how about you do some research and see how the first game of paintball was played....and what happened after that very first game......

here are some key words you can use in your search

Bob Gurnsey
Hayes Noel
The National Survival Game Inc.

look these up on some of the bigger paintball search engines..

i find that information learnt by your self and not told to you by others is more rewarding....

tex22

22-09-2004, 07:53 PM

MMMMM just polishing off a meatball monster actually.

Your polishing your what! :lol: :lol: :lol: :armed:

reaver

22-09-2004, 08:02 PM

HIDDEOUS, if someone in australia was willing to open a proper rec field ( obviouslly a large bush field of some sort ) that was made for regular players than i cant see what would cost so much, i mean there would be some licence issues to start wit registering the property but after that u cant see what problems there are....

like there wouldnt be much profit for the property owners, but if there is someone with 40Ha that is willing to let their land be used to rec ball im sure there would be enough player tio come for regualar tornaments/games. and paint would no longer be an issue.. just have a few guys put a few bucks in each for a co2 tank.

Hideous

22-09-2004, 08:32 PM

This is what we have in Melbourne... its all we have in Melbourne because the field owner has only run 1-2 set of punters through this year here in Vic.

We pay a field fee each month we turn up, and pray that someone someday changes our ill informed laws here in Victoria.

He can't afford supair and the rest because there is no investment in it for him.

captinsane

22-09-2004, 09:29 PM

Is this "legal"? (In Queensland)

I am sure it is..

Get a property nominated on your licence that is over 40 acres. (class A & B licence) If you can shoot pigs on it you should be allowed to shoot paintbvalls. common bloody sense.

Import a pallette of markers...('709a, licence to aquire, etc.) maybe 30...register them under 1 name but have them 'owned' as a 'collective'. IE: private contracts where the licence ho0lder 'owns' and 'registers' the markers under their name whilst the nominee in the private contract has 'rights' to the marker...but only to the limit of the law. THe nominee pays for the marker...is responsible for maintainance etc.

Buy cases off PPBA for $85 or whatever.

Fill station in the boot of a car. :thumbsup:

Drive to ur bloody property out the back of nowhere with ur mates and shoot the beegeesus out of each other :armed: :thumbsup:

Go home and have a beer or ten. :bundy: :bundy: :bundy: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

any budding lawyers got a problem with this???

Hideous

22-09-2004, 09:32 PM

captinsane

22-09-2004, 09:35 PM

so i hear...sucks to be you :p sorry mate.

I got mates who have done this in the past...even with whole youth groups and such

why is it taboo?????

Dougie The Pizza Boy

22-09-2004, 09:39 PM

Hideous

22-09-2004, 09:39 PM

Because some Victorian Supreme court judge in 1998 made a decision that paintball is an Activity not real shooting.

It's why paintball field can be in a suburban area where as an open shooting range can't.

The same argument is being used by our Police to say because its not a RANGE.... juniour shooter permit holders cannot play paintball.

XER

22-09-2004, 10:01 PM

I've seen a number of threads in my travels on Bills about this issue of trying to make paintball cheaper and everything is never as easy as you think. I'd love to see the miracle of cheap widespread recreational play develop in Aus but unfortunately going out with mates and creating your own setup is just leading up to something bad.

One lapse of safety with the wrong group or new player and the papers would sense $$ signs with a nice big negative "Dangers of simulated warfare" story. Registered well run fields do a great job of preventing this before it happens.

I did like the comment earlier about fields don't sit down social players and give them an idea of what paintball can be like at the end of their session. I think this is a great idea as most social players have no idea of how developed the world of paintball is and how it is played in other countries. I showed some mates the photos of the field at southpacs and they had no idea that something like sup-air existed.

Rec ball can be cool but generally I like sup-air because it's more sports orientated, easy to keep track of what's happening around you, great for spectators, equal layout for both teams and helps refs keep control of the game.

My 2 cents

captinsane

22-09-2004, 10:08 PM

Blobby...read the "Official Survival Game Manual, by Lionel Atwill (National Survival Game, Inc., 1987)"

"One night during the spring of 1976 or 1977, Hayes Noel and I were grilling a king mackerel and drinking gills and tonic on the patio of a house in Jupiter Island, Florida. While we were grilling and drinking we talked, as we often do, about play. We both believe in play. Specifically, in this ginny conversation, we began to construct from an idea of Hayes's a form of play that might contain the childhood exhilaration of stalking and being stalked, might call on a hodgepodge of instincts and skills and might allow as wide a variety of responses as possible to this rich old question: How do I get from where I am now to where I want to be?

2 guys on the piss thought of it.

"Well, the Survival Game was conceived in utero that night---conceived as a lark, as something that was fun to think about. Somehow we kept thinking about it, discussing it, always in the context of other forms of fun, in New York City, on Martha's Vineyard, in a duck blind off the New Hampshire coast with Richie White and Carl Sandquist, and in dozens of places with Bob Gurnsey...."

not concieved as a business venture

The play was less than spectacular compared to some Games I've seen since, but there was a spirit to that first Game that will be hard to capture again. The weekend bubbled with humor, honor, fun and obnoxiously friendly, yet intense, competition. Those feelings, I believe, reflected the dispositions of the founders of the Game."

It has changed alot, wouldn't be playing it if it hadn't been marketed...not bad...just different...

extracts online at http://apg.cfw2.com/article.asp?content_id=2352

Disco

22-09-2004, 10:21 PM

hahaha thats the funniest thing i have read 2 pissed guys thought up paintball! LO :lol: :lol: :lol:

soundsl austalian!

captinsane

22-09-2004, 10:28 PM

I've seen a number of threads in my travels on Bills about this issue of trying to make paintball cheaper and everything is never as easy as you think.

One lapse of safety with the wrong group or new player and the papers would sense $$ signs with a nice big negative "Dangers of simulated warfare" story. Registered well run fields do a great job of preventing this before it happens.

I did like the comment earlier about fields don't sit down social players and give them an idea of what paintball can be like at the end of their session. I think this is a great idea as most social players have no idea of how developed the world of paintball is and how it is played in other countries. I showed some mates the photos of the field at southpacs and they had no idea that something like sup-air existed.

Rec ball can be cool but generally I like sup-air because it's more sports orientated, easy to keep track of what's happening around you, great for spectators, equal layout for both teams and helps refs keep control of the game.

My 2 cents

Rec Ball:

not about the 'spectators'
this forum not about the price...just about making REC ball exist as something more than a once off visit and then wham...you get shuttled of to speedball or sup-air or whatever.
why should i stop from doing something that is perfectly legit and safe (safer than rock climbing or bush walking or golf) because i am afraid of some Nazy press dude. :fu: the press. Nazies. Is there a strong history of the press crucifying individuals aver the responsible use of a pb marker??? I've never seen any.

This isn't a thread about the price of paintball..this is a thread about the relevance and growth of RECBALL as a sport...a game instead of a novelty event for pen pushers.

Instead of the kids going and playing soccer on a saturday arvo...why can't we buy them a brass eagle and take them out to kilcoy run amok? Why not copy the likes of Gurnsey and the rest? :armed: :armed: :armed:

captinsane

22-09-2004, 10:32 PM

hahaha thats the funniest thing i have read 2 pissed guys thought up paintball! LO :lol: :lol: :lol:

soundsl austalian!

hell yeah!!!

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we captured damascus...

XER

22-09-2004, 11:10 PM

Rec Ball:

not about the 'spectators'
this forum not about the price...just about making REC ball exist as something more than a once off visit and then wham...you get shuttled of to speedball or sup-air or whatever.
why should i stop from doing something that is perfectly legit and safe (safer than rock climbing or bush walking or golf) because i am afraid of some Nazy press dude. :fu: the press. Nazies. Is there a strong history of the press crucifying individuals aver the responsible use of a pb marker??? I've never seen any.

This isn't a thread about the price of paintball..this is a thread about the relevance and growth of RECBALL as a sport...a game instead of a novelty event for pen pushers.

Instead of the kids going and playing soccer on a saturday arvo...why can't we buy them a brass eagle and take them out to kilcoy run amok? Why not copy the likes of Gurnsey and the rest? :armed: :armed: :armed:

The quick answers with what I was getting at:

idiots will be idiots and they are just harder to control when there are no refs on a property in the middle of nowhere. You can say paintball is safe but that comment hits a brick wall soon as somebody takes a mask off or plays around with HPA.

Did you mean to responsible or irresponsible use of a pbmarker? Bad press (and I agree that they are Sharks that take everything for what it's worth) is few and far between because the uninsured rec ball fields aren't popping up everywhere.

Price is always a factor because the lower the cost of social play, the more people get into it, the more chance you have of rec-ball being considered a sport.

My theory on it is that currently there is not enough people playing in Aus to consider rec-ball play or comps as an option. That's why people go straight into sup-air or speedball. They are the types of play that will get coverage or interest from the public and can be viewed by spectators on a small field in closer proximity to populated areas. Once that increase in interest and play is gained then the chance of more rec-ball play will become available.

Whitey

23-09-2004, 02:31 AM

any budding lawyers got a problem with this???[/QUOTE]

Mate what about insurance????
I wouldn't want you on my property running around trip over & then try to take me to court.

Just a thought....

captinsane

23-09-2004, 03:03 AM

if u are their mate (aka..you know them, you are their friend) i don't think it would be such an issue. 'sposse something to show the owner of the property shows due care and attention wouldn't hurt ( :hammer: ) but Indemnity forms don't mean jack all...

In the end...their is not all that much you can do to protect urself from accidents. They happen...hell what can u do about it if you do everyhting humanly possible to get people to do stuff.

It's like terroism, you don't give up and change ur lifestyle or culture just becuase something might happen to you. Plus...i know one guy who's a barrister and owns a property. He knows i am screwed if i try to sue him!!!!!!! :lol:

Whitey

23-09-2004, 03:12 AM

Mates hurt themselves can't work, friendship only goes so far. I agree people shouldn't sue each others pants off because they can, but some people don't care....

Nothing is easy, it's the world we live in..

Cheers

captinsane

23-09-2004, 06:17 AM

Yeah...the world sucks... :cry: :cry: but hey, i am over it, tell me something new. Like...flowers...or something pretty. :rolleyes:
:lol: Perhaps if we vote dead eye PM it will all change :lol:

CHEERS MATE :)

captinsane

23-09-2004, 06:23 AM

NE way...i figure...either i find a home that supports rec ball or i dissappear into the shadows to play 'outlaw'. coming out 4 newbie bashing every so often.

Doggy

23-09-2004, 08:41 AM

Check your Licence Form 2 (QLD) they are putting codes on the markers (PB1) I think, and it states that you can only use the marker at a registered / approved field. No private property, other shooting ranges etc.

We have just gone through this up here. The best thing is to approach your local field operator and do a deal with them. You get a registered field (so the cops won't bag you and your marker), Insurance (let's face it I'm not loosing my house if some sucker sues), easy access to fills and paint. It's the way to go for everybody. The field operator pays some bills and we get to have fun, fair trade I think.

I'd love to just pack my gear and rock on in the nearest paddock but hell with the laws nowadays it's just no worth it. The cops bag you with unlicenced markers or other firearms offences then you're stuffed. The courts seem to take a dim view of firearm offences and plus it stuffs you in the long run.

Just my opinion only,

Cheers

Doggy

MelonFarmer

23-09-2004, 12:33 PM

Top Gun have a membership deal where you can get discount paint.

Actually the cheap paint thing isn't restricted to members, it's restricted to the team training days every fortnight and it's available to players who aren't members of the club.

You'll find that membership of the club will give you even more discount of the price of paint as well as discounts from the pro shop.

I believe that it's better to shoot your mates on an established field with all the appropriate insurance and first aid facilities than risk hurting each other on a private property.

If you own your own equipment then you can get lots of help and advice from people that deal with related equipment on a daily basis.

reaver

23-09-2004, 01:29 PM

but any of the registered fields you play on are not interested in playing rec ball.

If i cant play rec ball out bush than im not really interested in paintball at all..... all the run and shoot a million bullets at eachother thing really doesn't do it for me, it defeats the purpose....

What we should look at doing is starting up a rec scene in australia. all it would need is 2 or 3 designated rec ball properties with the appropriate licences. and you can get a marker for like $300 so after the initial cost paint is only like 3.5c a ball from ppba so its not as expensive as most people are led to believe ( if you dont buy from clubs ).

If anyone has 40acres and is willing to go through the licencing process then let everyone know and im sure there will be more than enough people to support/help you.

Blobby

23-09-2004, 01:39 PM

reaver...what state are you in????

reaver

23-09-2004, 04:08 PM

Queensland

Blobby

23-09-2004, 04:10 PM

so waht field in queensland do you play at?????? or have you played at?????

reaver

23-09-2004, 04:13 PM

dont have a home field. im looking to play rec. im not interested in speedball etc. however i am going to top gun for a game in a few weeks.

Crazy

24-09-2004, 04:07 AM

Have fun at Topgun reaver. :thumbsup:
Blobby runs a field at Rockhampton and they have Rec fields and used to ( and will again I hope) run scenario games that last 6 hours on 60 acres.

Largest was 100 players a few years ago.

captinsane

24-09-2004, 08:43 AM

bloody awesome...

...'ill drive to rockhampton every weekend!!!!!!!!

Blobby

24-09-2004, 09:37 AM

i weil be working on a 12 hour scenario some time early mid 2005...byo markers, great prices on piant and fun up the wahzoo

bunkerboy

24-09-2004, 04:06 PM

Depends whose wahzoo it is.....:p

Blobby

24-09-2004, 04:44 PM

crazys

Whitey

25-09-2004, 01:52 AM

Do you have an approximate on the scenario game

Mike

25-09-2004, 04:58 AM

I love playing scenerio games! :thumbsup:

JJJ

25-09-2004, 06:25 AM

I love playing scenerio games! :thumbsup:

Yes, a picture of Safety Mike playing scenerio games

Crazy

26-09-2004, 09:48 PM

crazys
He said I would have a pivotal role to play and that everyone would want to get behind me :cry:

Need to get some spinctre relaxing exercises from Yzo. :eek:

reaver

27-09-2004, 08:27 AM

yeah ill go to rockhampton every weekend as well.......... not that far from here.... just got to get me a decent marker first......

Jamie_Cracker

27-09-2004, 03:25 PM

Yes, a picture of Safety Mike playing scenerio games

he is using a mag :hammer: :hammer: :hammer:

Bazza

27-09-2004, 03:56 PM

he is using a mag :hammer: :hammer: :hammer:

My first thought was wow, look at that awesome mag :respekt:

Its got a splash kit and everything :D

vonsplatt

27-09-2004, 09:48 PM

Some day ,when the State Government and the local council stops asking idiot questions , which I have already provided the answers for,you may find lots of bush trail rec games at Mango Hill, west of Redcliffe.
I had 40 people trying to shoot CaptainSane with laser guns on the weekend. He wore a ghillie suit. They failed to get him, but lots of them said he had shot them.
We have a jabiru stork nesting in a tall tree on the field. It doesn't seem bothered ,by us.

JJJ

28-09-2004, 08:01 AM

he is using a mag :hammer: :hammer: :hammer:

Its an Yzo Scenerio edition mag ;)

reaver

28-09-2004, 10:12 AM

mmm the ghillie suit worked great in the bush... but you would hope so considering the 70 or so hours it takes to make a good one of those suits.

CDG

28-09-2004, 10:20 AM

mmm the ghillie suit worked great in the bush... but you would hope so considering the 70 or so hours it takes to make a good one of those suits.

So a couple of Green & Black streamers sticky taped to a baseball cap ain't going to cut it...? :confused: :confused: :confused:

AGGS

28-09-2004, 10:36 AM

All depends on what shade of green, if its any type of fluro it will work sweet :D

vonsplatt

28-09-2004, 08:15 PM

He had an unfair advantage.Half the guys hunting him, were rugby league players.
I think he liked the paint price too(evil grin)

Gero crew

29-09-2004, 12:24 AM

vonsplatt
by laser guns did you mean infrared and by cheap paint prices did you mean there was no paint or were you mixing the two gun types in the same game??

reaver

29-09-2004, 10:11 AM

mixing the two types.... now that would be an unfare advantage =p

ohh and cdg... a baseball cap with streamers sticky taped on isnt going to help unless your wading through a neck deep surige pipe.... >_>..... <_<...........

vonsplatt

05-10-2004, 05:05 PM

Infra red-use the laser expression ,because it is commonly accepted.

I don't know how good it is,but there is a US manufacturer of infra red equipment for attaching to a paint marker. It is a possible option for cheap team practice.
Live firing would still be needed for marksmanship though. It would probably be useful for practicing team movement and strategy.

captinsane

05-10-2004, 05:16 PM

Infra red taggin equiptment, not infra-red/thermal imaging systems like the AN/PVS 7 right???

AN/PVS would be cool on a night scenario...but expensive :evil :evil

Kinacklers

06-10-2004, 12:27 PM

Rec ball sucks - laser games are much better

Grasshopper

11-10-2004, 11:55 AM

pump action paintball tomerong would welcome any persons with a resonable suggestion for a rec game. Contact me with your ideas .

reaver

11-10-2004, 08:16 PM

Rec ball sucks - laser games are much better
you deserve to have been suspended for taht comment.

btw captainsane im starting work on my ghillie suit and i needed to know where to get the plain brown skrim and if i could have some of those heshan sacks you said i could have. thanks.

captinsane

12-10-2004, 05:32 PM

pm'ed you

reaver

12-10-2004, 07:20 PM

well... this forum is ..... *active* how was laser on sunday cpt. sane ? i had some mates go on saturday... not bad place to practise forrec ball i guess.....

reaver

12-10-2004, 07:37 PM

this is a post. number #17 for me since all my posts got deleted over the * post here so it looks like you have more posts* inncodent.

vonsplatt

13-10-2004, 06:52 PM

Put in three new bush tracks today.

captinsane

14-10-2004, 11:42 AM

yay...laser was great. Got some very nice shots and had people walking over the top of me without seeing we...awesome!!!! i lasted 2 hrs with 3 hit points, and only lost 2 of those in the last 2 minutes becuase i was being stupid. Paintball will be better though...can't wait for the beuracracy to get over themselves! It gets annoying having to shoot people 9 times before they die!!!

reaver

15-10-2004, 10:22 PM

should start to organise some rec laser clan games soon cpt. sane

i8dafrog

15-10-2004, 11:39 PM

y dont u kidies run along and play with your little laser guns and leave the big boys to discuss big boys games

JJJ

16-10-2004, 06:20 AM

y dont u kidies run along and play with your little laser guns and leave the big boys to discuss big boys games

smartasre :hammer: but funny :clap:

I gather General Von Splatt hasnt got his field licensed yet for paintball is why they play laser?

Patrick

16-10-2004, 11:44 AM

any budding lawyers got a problem with this???

Mate what about insurance????
I wouldn't want you on my property running around trip over & then try to take me to court.

Just a thought....[/QUOTE]

Might be difficult to show that the property owner owed the relevant duty of care, or that the player did not voluntarily assume the risk. May be different from a horse tour operator or rock climber guy where the injuries are caused by their negligence in failing to maintain thier equipment properly. I'm not too sure an action could succeed if a person injured themselves just running around over uneven gorund in its natural state using equipment that they themselves brought. That's just a snap judgment though, I might be wrong. Would be a whole different issue if the injury was caused by the actual marker if it was supplied by the property owner, though there'd probably be issues of contributory negligence there as well.

vonsplatt

16-10-2004, 06:42 PM

JJJ you are right. It takes a long time working a way through local council, Environmental Protection Agencies, Fisheries and others. They often ask for information already provided and live in the 19th century. Fortunately I am in a reasonably sensible shire. Some of the neighbouring shires are quite mad.After I get through the Shire Council process I still have to apply for a shooting gallery licence.The idiots in New South Wales even treat infra red guns ,as real guns and the police get involved. Thank God for Queensland. Sometimes I think Queensland was more free under Joh.
I have public liability cover to operate laser games anywhere in Australia.
Don't knock the laser gear it works very well and is much better ,than indoor arena laser.We can set the guns on one hit point = elimination of player.It is possible to use larger fields ,because close supervision is less necessary. I thought in the 80's that this approach could work ,but the technology was to big,fragile and expensive then.
Personally I like both paintball and outdoor laser.
Indoor laser is a bit too arcadish for me.

Patrick

16-10-2004, 09:08 PM

You'll need insurance of course to set up a proper paintball field, just I doubt that anyone playing outlaw paintball could successfully sue the owner of the property or the organiser. Law suits are only successfull when someone else is directly to blame - insurance is there to protect the operator against negligence on their part in for example not maintainging the face masks properly. In a outlaw scenario where you provide all your own equipment, an injured person will generally not be able to find someone to blame for their injuries, just like 95% of injured people who seek legal advice.

i8dafrog

16-10-2004, 09:13 PM

I Think YZO does insurance

reaver

16-10-2004, 09:21 PM

y dont u kidies run along and play with your little laser guns and leave the big boys to discuss big boys games

unlike you i may not have a job which lets me waste a few hundred paintballs on training every week. and if i did.... i doubt i would waste it all on paintballs anyway.

AGGS

16-10-2004, 11:35 PM

unlike you i may not have a job which lets me waste a few hundred paintballs on training every week. and if i did.... i doubt i would waste it all on paintballs anyway.

Thats amusing, you come to a paintball forum to whinge about paintball, each to his own i guess

i8dafrog

17-10-2004, 12:33 AM

unlike you i may not have a job which lets me waste a few hundred paintballs on training every week. and if i did.... i doubt i would waste it all on paintballs anyway.

For starters mate relax i wasnt haveing a shot, as ADS said u came to a paintball forum to winge and bitch about the game that over 500 hardcore players play and love, not the done thing :no: and if u dont like painball what are u doing here !!!!

But we are all trying to inform pple about the wonderful world of paintball and get them hooked on rec ball, then have a look at team then mabey comps yea it cost a bit 2 get set up but hey what sport dosent these days, as for comps they haved moved away from the bush scene but its faster harder and twice the buzz what the hell is wrong with u dude comps like the masters in Nov will be INSANE :lol: :clap:
Its my first tourney and mate im so badly hanging for this I am pretty much selling everything i own to buy a marker and play in this tourny and it was REC BALL that got me hooked spread the word about this sport and lets all throw paint togeather :lol:
And thanks to all the residents of bills for your help and advice :clap: :respekt:

O by the way i got a toshiba Portege m100 laptop 4 sale :lol: :lol:

Cheers

Frog

Crazy

17-10-2004, 04:16 AM

There was a big shit fight on the english website "P8ntballer" between lasertag guys and paintballers with each invading each others websites arguing whos better.

I don't think this will get that far as we all don't give a toss what you play as we all just wanna have fun ( legal and moral fun Knackers :hammer: ).

Lasertaggers - Welcome to the site and we welcome info on tactics and camo ideas for our rec ballers or whatever you want to talk about.

Paintballers - If we can tolerate Deadeye we can tolerate anyone :D
Please play nice.

I just don't want to see the crap I saw on P8ntballer here. :angel:

JJJ

17-10-2004, 07:14 AM

Agree Crazy.

And if you boys can read the only reason these guys are playing lazer games is because the paintball field license has not yet come through.

captinsane

22-10-2004, 08:15 AM

Phew...thought i had started a downright cat fight there... props to all the people with straight heads out there!!! Let's all just get along :) awwwww... aint it serene...

Just in support of reaver...there are some of us that really want to get right into paintball but the issue is the commitment is too much AT PRESENT (funds, legal stuff etc). Just wanted to promote discussion on a less-commited relationship with paintball. As of yet i don't see it as possible. If you could only play paintball like you play footy down at the beach..... but that's not possible. As it is...if you want to play regularly, but uncommited, you have to fork out a fair few dollars 4 eithier regular play as a walk on or you get a membership...but then you are heading into a bigger commitment territory with membership.

4 now i'll bide my time: try to get me licence when i get some money, rock up to a few VIP days at Top Gun and Samford ( about once every 3 months cause that's all i can afford) and hang around Vonsplatt's. It's all i can do.

I could run off playing outlaw (becuase god knows it happens all over) but i need a marker and that first. Little steps...one at a time.

captinsane

22-10-2004, 08:29 AM

Could indoor laser be used as a speed ball training area??? YOu've got body hits and snap shooting etc. I personally like a bit of crawling in mud and the taste of wombat poo in my mouth but it would be a cheaper alternative to paint. Would it be possible to do a deal or even a partnership with Zone 3 and a paintball group to use their venue for indoor paintball. They have cameras hooked and stuff too so you could film, or put it on TV.

(I am sure the idea has been thought of before and someone has runb into red tape...but hey...welcome to my mind)

JJJ

22-10-2004, 08:39 AM

get a job so you can pay for paintball.

otherwise stick to zone3.

enough said :rofl:

vonsplatt

22-10-2004, 06:59 PM

NNNOOOO!!! Not even senile old vonSplatt likes Zone 3.
re getting out of the bush-I love a long quiet patient stalk through the bush, I love picking a trajectory that finds the gaps between the twigs-I enjoy the target wondering, where the @#$% that came from.
I thought the 7 man tournament at Perry Park was awesome.
The outdoor laser is great. It is best late afternoon through to dusk. Because it does not have projectile risks larger fieds and less supervision are practicable.
I don't see it as laser or paintball.
I am really happy doing both, as long as the people playing are sociable types with nice manners.

captinsane

25-10-2004, 09:53 AM

Sorry Dennis

I think i just had a major brainfart...

...damn, can't let that happen again.

Yeah, stalking is a lot of fun. It's like the newbies are blind! hehehe.
damn... my pc won't let me do smilies!!!!

TRENT

25-10-2004, 09:57 AM

Zone 3! Isnt that something you do when you dont know what paintball is or arnt old enough?

captinsane

30-10-2004, 09:17 PM

I personally like a bit of crawling in mud and the taste of wombat poo in my mouth
(just so there's no doubt)

I was suggesting the VENUE's use as a PAINTBALL training or games area. Not advocating the actual company. It may work with "Re balls"???
As I said...it was just a brainfart and off topic. Sorry

zandour

12-10-2005, 09:48 AM

maybe a sernario including hillbillys and feds, easy dress up (and yourve already done the background). just a thought.

captinsane

12-10-2005, 12:08 PM

Oh dear..not this thread again (*shame*)...what did i say a year ago? Geez...back in the day already.

Bill

12-10-2005, 01:07 PM

I thought this thread died a year ago... ;)

Electrofunkster

12-10-2005, 01:25 PM

shade the rec ballers didn't die at the same time

reaver

27-11-2005, 11:29 PM

lol....

hmm rather good rec oppertunities for 2006 especially with gavs drug lord sceneario games. i tihnk rec will gte a bit of action soon.

Big Gav

23-03-2006, 09:40 AM