Macdev air system delivered Oct 03

[Hideous]

Just looked at one of last years cylinders I purchased last October.

Check out the lack of markings.

What'ya think Mike ?

[Fly Angel]

Hideous, i bought Barnsey's A4 with Mac air system and i cannot find the numbers that the NSW workplace requires on them to be able to bring them into NSW to use.It is not even 1 year old ???? :confused: :confused:

:angel: :angel: :angel: :angel:

[Hideous]

can you post the pics?

this needs to be sorted.

[Fly Angel]

At work at the moment but will get pics asap !!!!!!

[TRENT]

I just looked at mine, same as Hideous bottle, no workcover stuff at all on it. Purchased from Macdev in November i think.

[Electrofunkster]

maybe a PM to MAc would be more usefull ... or even a phone call ..

[Hideous]

maybe a PM to MAc would be more usefull ... or even a phone call ..

I agree, but it will be interesting to see how many others are in the same situation.

One person asking is never enough when dealing with potential problems like this.

[TRENT]

James was just viewing the thread and now he's gone. Hope he hasnt run away to hide. Probably looking into it now i hope.

[James]

For everyones information any new cylinder entering aus must follow these procedures.

Before use they must be presented to an australian test station for approval, when approved they carry that test stations mark. each test station must affix a stamp that carries their test station #.


It is plain to see that the bottles clearly show the australian test station mark on the upper right hand side of the manufactures label that indicates it belongs to Macdev. this is the procedure with the change of law. Any bottle that carries the Macdev flying m insignia falls into the catorgory prior to the change in requirements. It is the owners responsibility to ensure that the bottle remains in test as indicated by the expiry date as shown on that label.

If anybody needs information, please give us a call - threads like this only cause unnecessary confusion.

[TRENT]

ahhh this is getting to confusing. People have said that stick on stamp isnt enough and must have a workcover number. Talked to Mike from action and he is going to get Les to confirm what and will and wont fill and what it exactly needs and then post it on bills.

[Hideous]

Well infact this is exactly what we have been talking about for 12 months..

We have been told by Mike we cannot use these bottles at South Pac's.

as

They have neither a workcover design number affixed to the bottle nor were we supplied with doumentation to prove this to the organisers of South Pac's.

We have been down this path ourselves........

These bottles can't be used at South Pac's unless you can provide documentation that they have a valid Workcover design verification number.

Some information will be needed. Trent will call Mike.


If anybody needs information, please give us a call - threads like this only cause unnecessary confusion.

There is no confusion, just no wc numbers as required.

[Sonic]

Just Call MacDev, as I'm sure they'll help you with any problems you guys have with their products.

[TRENT]

But thats sensible, its much more fun guessing about things and making up stuff.

[skip]

So what does it all mean???......................................i am so confused right now!

[Crazy]

Posted here but after reviewing it I thought it might appear as inflamitory.
Apologies :kiss:

[Bozo]

hohum typical forum bs

[BIG ROB]

Ok , correct me if I'm wrong James, Mac dev bottles that dont have the actual workcover number on them but have the macdev M insignia PRINTED on the bottle are work cover legal. Here is a Mac dev bottle and a bottle purchaced from Action paintball. No work cover No. on the mac bottle but it has the M insignia on it signaling it is workcover approved.

[BIG ROB]

Ok, just another quick question, what number should I be looking for on the older bottles? I know it came up a while ago but I cant find it.

[JJJ]

Well infact this is exactly what we have been talking about for 12 months..
We have been told by Mike we cannot use these bottles at South Pac's.
as
They have neither a workcover design number affixed to the bottle nor were we supplied with doumentation to prove this to the organisers of South Pac's.
We have been down this path ourselves........
These bottles can't be used at South Pac's unless you can provide documentation that they have a valid Workcover design verification number.
Some information will be needed. Trent will call Mike.
There is no confusion, just no wc numbers as required.

Dont you mean MASTERS :confused: South Pacs are in Qld and are run by Big Gav not Mike. Also Qld have own Workcover not NSW!!!!! :confused:

[Hardcore]

I believe Southern Commercial Divers (Jamie and Les from Sydney Shock), are supplying the HPA for the Southpacs, so Mike would be aware what bottles will/won't be filled at Southpacs.

I daresay they'd rather not risk a $75,000 fine.

[Electrofunkster]

Dont you mean MASTERS :confused: South Pacs are in Qld and are run by Big Gav not Mike. Also Qld have own Workcover not NSW!!!!! :confused:

Mike has nothing to do with deciding whether the bottles pass or not ...

Les from southern commercial divers decides .. its just the fact that SCD do all the APPL events and now the South Pac's bottles must comply ...

If les was to come and do a SAPPA event then you would have to comply aswell ...

[Doggy]

Could always go back to the dark ages :D

use CO2 :lol:

Just kidding

Doggy

[JJJ]

Mike has nothing to do with deciding whether the bottles pass or not ...

Les from southern commercial divers decides .. its just the fact that SCD do all the APPL events and now the South Pac's bottles must comply ...

If les was to come and do a SAPPA event then you would have to comply aswell ...

Learn to read Electro. I am just quoting what others were posting but instead pointing out that Mike is not the organiser of South Pacs - otherwise he will get blamed for running the country again.

Secondly, if you also read whats been posted its not even Jamie who decides as he simply has to comply with the conditions placed on his business by the NSW legislation.

Obviously I am stating then that the workcover legislation is different in different states. :hammer:

[Sonic]

beh, no one pays attention to electro anyway. ;)

[eukanuba]

Ok , correct me if I'm wrong James, Mac dev bottles that dont have the actual workcover number on them but have the macdev M insignia PRINTED on the bottle are work cover legal. Here is a Mac dev bottle and a bottle purchaced from Action paintball. No work cover No. on the mac bottle but it has the M insignia on it signaling it is workcover approved.

I've got a wrapped cylinder that has the very same " M " insignia on it - but its not a luxfer.. it is also approved ? ( I'll post a pic tonight when I get home ).
It's not got the 'Flying M' mac-dev logo on it either..

- Euk.

[Mike]

Yes guys, I have asked Les to look into this, after all he is the man who decides what can and can not be filled.

I would be suprised (no stunned) if any MAc systems were not approved, but this does now create a problem as those little approval labels (the ones under a drop of glue) are simply too easy to replicate by anyone. I had been told by Work cover here that if the bottle did not have a workcover number on it then this still could be okay if the owner of the bottle brings up a current certificate with his bottle when it is getting filled. Obviously this is not going to work either. Also, if bottles are approved to use in QLD but not in NSW, then this situation will only make all things worse too.

The law does seem to be different depending on which states work cover you talk to, which only makes the whole situation even more confusing.

Les will know this week what is the go with all bottles and let me and everyone know straight away on Bills.

I hope this helps...................

[BIG ROB]

Hey mike, when you say a current certificate, do you mean a test certificate or work cover certificate? We have had all of out All american, pure energy, ect bottles tested and have pass certificates but they don't have workcover numbers on them.

[Yzo]

Les will know this week what is the go with all bottles and let me and everyone know straight away on Bills.

I hope this helps...................

:bow: it will help if theres a decent outcome.. :kiss:

[Mike]

No work cover number on the bottle, bottle not legal and as such can not be filled. Period!!!

Any fool with some super glue and a printer can make a fake test label. But this is not the reason other bottles are not legal. The problem is that the bottle must first have the workcover number on the bottle before it is tested.

Sorry guys, but I will have it in writing tommorrow..............................

I found out today that Mac Dev do not buy there bottles from Luxfer direct but rather from a supplier in California USA. There in lies the problem, that is that they no different to all the other would be stores that offer "so called" approved bottles. Dianne from Mac Dev even rang Luxfer Australia last week to get permission to use their workcover approval number for their Mac bottles but this was rejected.

This was quite suprising after all the hubaloo from Mac Dev over the last couple of years about only their bottles being approved and everything else being illegal.............

The strange thing is that it took one of their own cutomers to pick it up. After all, I do not have access to any Mac Products.

I only hope that this does not cause too much disruption to the South Pacs.

[BIG ROB]

So, bottom line - will mac dev bottles be filled at the south pacs and then at the masters?

[Rainman]

Not without a work cover number on it apparently....Unless you guys have a spare $75 000 laying around.

[Mike]

If they do not have a workcover number on the bottle then no.

[Hideous]

only way i can see if we can get some 4500psi scuba cylinders and decant from those..

mind you these 4500psi cylinders wont have AS or WC numbers on them, but are filled everywhere else in Australia.

can you please explain that ?

[Rainman]

Or buy an approved bottle from Action Paintball.That would be the easiest way.
Hey just a quick question, if Dianne from mac knew about this a week ago, how come it has taken so long to let the customers know about it :confused:

[Damo]

Or buy an approved bottle from Action Paintball.That would be the easiest way.

not all of us can pull money out of our arse like that... some of us have lives and commitments that need fundage and are priority over paintball. perhaps if this matter was mentioned earlier (when the tourney was announced) people might have been prepared

not pointing any fingers, just stating a fact :)

[Hideous]

We need to compare bottles chaps.

The Luxfor bottle part numbers and DOT numbers are registered with WC.

If you have a cylinder that has the same part number and DOT as the WC Regsitered ones - they are Automatically Registered.

You just need the documentation of Design Verification from WorkCover NSW

This documentation is what the testing stations should be checking before they test the cylinder. ( As Per AS ) So check closely chaps.

[Rainman]

I can understand that Damo, but I was just stating the obvious, and not trying to find anymore SHORTCUTS around this problem.

[Kristen]

Or buy an approved bottle from Action Paintball.That would be the easiest way.
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ive got 3 bottles one off mike and two from macdev
but the 2 from macdev are now not Approved Its like last time this happened all these teams finding out they cant play at the torni because for the bottles not have the right marking.
The one from mike is approved
Some one out there needs to buy a clue so we get a lasting rule this is getting a bit expensive for me and i believe for others too

[Mike]

We need to compare bottles chaps.

The Luxfor bottle part numbers and DOT numbers are registered with WC.

If you have a cylinder that has the same part number and DOT as the WC Regsitered ones - they are Automatically Registered.

You just need the documentation of Design Verification from WorkCover NSW

This documentation is what the testing stations should be checking before they test the cylinder. ( As Per AS ) So check closely chaps.


No Hidious, you are wrong! If it was that simple why would Mac now be ringing Luxfer asking to use their registration numbers? They should all just ring you in the first place, since you have all the answers.

What the world needs, another bloody expert!

[Electrofunkster]

not all of us can pull money out of our arse like that... some of us have lives and commitments that need fundage and are priority over paintball. perhaps if this matter was mentioned earlier (when the tourney was announced) people might have been prepared

not pointing any fingers, just stating a fact :)

DAMO !!! this was posted on this very forum on the 12-12-2003 allerting EVERYONE to this fact, you have had 8 months to buy a new bottle

for everyone else the link is HERE (http://www.billspaintball.com/vb3/showthread.php?t=1748)

[Orian]

Also like he said, he has other commitments and can't just pull money out of his ass for new bottle.

[Electrofunkster]

so do your bottles have a workcover label on them orion or will you be giving a refund to all the people who bought your bottles if they don't

[eukanuba]

Agreed, while some members may be just able to shell the $350+ from their loaded bank accounts.. some of us can't at a whim.. ( I've got a mortgage and a missus to contend with )..

Like I've said in the past, if the design spec is the same and the cylinder is the same - it is granted approval automatically under the WC design reg's in NSW.

I've posted detail on how users can find this information out for themselves, its there in black and white, I've spent hours on the phone talking to engineers at Worksafe W.A. - you will however, need to provide this information to the fill station, and it is at their discression if they fill it or not - it's their head's that will roll if anyone has a tantrum..

I would also like to remind people that this only applies to the direct filling of cylinders and the regulations imposed to southern commercial divers and does not apply to decanting from scuba cylinders.

This " NSW Regulation " does not apply to players in W.A. while playing in W.A. as there is no condition as long as the fibrewrap cylinders are " Tested by an approved and registered testing station ".

If there's a problem - just rent 1/2doz scuba steel cylinders and go fill em like that.. or maybe cracker's can fill scuba cylinders to get around this regulation ? I've got a couple cylinders - and I know most of you guys who play at fields who cant always supply AIR have your own.. SCUBA and SCBA cylinders are easy to get - what's the drama ?
Join a local dive club, buy your scuba cylinders for about $120- ea second hand in test..

Just a thought, flame away !

- Euk.

[Hardcore]

Then the onus is on the people that sold him an illegal bottle then I guess.

[TRENT]

Electro, Not everyone in Australia needs a bottle with workcover stamp. Its only commercial divers who seem to be so strict about this little work cover thing. Not bagging them or anything they are just doing what they know to be legal.

[Electrofunkster]

I know .. but they have to be strict when an australian gun maker called workcover to advise them that SCD were filling illegal bottles at a tournie and SCD had workcover rockup on there door threatning them with a $75 000 fine ... people winge about buying new bottles how bout coughing up 75 large !!!

[Blobby]

did minihux do that????? the bastard......

[Hardcore]

-------read the forum rules------

[Wayno]

It sounds to me like the best way to sort this out without going insane is very easy. Save up and buy a new bottle with all the necessary AS #'s, DOT-E #'s and WC #'s. Get it tested regularly and you will be able to go to any state, play any tourny and get it filled by anyone. No dramas, no questions, no hassles and most of all piece of mind ! Knowing you have the right equipment and all is SAFE !..That's what I did.

[TRENT]

If its not illegal (from last page) to decant from scuba bottle why cant they fill the bottles. From what i've seen Southern fill large bottles which then are used to fill bottles, thus not needing workcover? I want to play SAPPA again. None of this shit.

[Hardcore]

How was my post different from Blobbys?
Jeez, I'm getting to love the equal playing field we're all getting here.

All paintball players are equal, some are just more equal than others.

[Bill]

How was my post different from Blobbys?
Jeez, I'm getting to love the equal playing field we're all getting here.

All paintball players are equal, some are just more equal than others.
Blobbys is obviously sarcastic/humourous.
Yours came accross as rubbishing someones product(intentional or not).

[Bill]

Ive had a poke around workcovers site and cant find any documentation on this.
Does anyone have an online source for workcover regulations?

[TRENT]

Bill can do whatever he wants Hardcore. He is a "Evil Dictator", or at least thats what it says under his name. :-)

[Electrofunkster]

thats a lie .. blobby is never funny .... except when he runs ...

[Bozo]

like wayno says if you can afford it get the WC stamped/numbered gear and go anywhere no fuss...
or like has been said also, rent or buy a dive tank and as long as its in test get it filled/refilled all day at the tourney and decant from it.

Last time I checked it is about $30 per day/wend for an average scuba.
The way I see it is most of the ppl here are willing to pay upto $200 to play a tourney and get lunch and a T shirt.... so whats another $30 bucks!!

[TRENT]

Its a major hassel especially for interstaters.

[Hardcore]

I've never gotten a t-shirt.

Will shirts be given at Southpacs?
If they are, do I need to be tested before I fill it?

[Blobby]

thats a lie .. blobby is never funny .... except when he runs ...

and that is more scarey then funny..........it's liek a lava lamp....mesmorising

[Electrofunkster]

look at the blubber fly ...

ok back on topic please ... (see bill I'd make a good mod)

[HellSpawn]

I dont think it was MiniHux who made the call Blobby.... I'd look in my own back yard if I was you....

[Blobby]

but i dont have a gun manufacturing workshop in my back yard....again that is mini......

[Electrofunkster]

Hellspawn ... we all know who is was .. even blobby ... lets just leave it at that

[Blobby]

do we????

[Electrofunkster]

if james from mac would ever come on line I'll ask him aparrently he knows ... just so were not starting any rumors and we go straight to the horses mouth as you have said before

[Blobby]

just say it....or you dont REALLY know and dont want to have a liable case against you????.... and did WC say a GUN MANUFACTURER dobbed them in????...how did WC know it was a GUN MANUFACTURER......

[Electrofunkster]

jsut say it....

ok ... deadeye really likes barbies .... ok now I have said it what you going to do about it ...

[minihux]

u cant even try to sue anyone for anything that comes from a public forum cause u did accept all the term and conditions when u entered this forum.



- peace /\/\ i n i h u x

[minihux]

lol kodos i was gonna take it off u got to it first....it was harsh but yet funny.

- peace /\/\ i n i h u x

[Bill]

u cant even try to sue anyone for anything that comes from a public forum cause u did accept all the term and conditions when u entered this forum.

You certainly can try to sue someone for what they say/write about you in a public forum. You may well be sucessfull to.

What the courts have shown is they are unwilling to allow any cases against site owners/admins/hosts except in limited circumstances (such as they had been notified but done nothing).

[Bill]

Anyhow keep this thread on track (WITHOUT any Rumour mongering) else it will be closed.

[minihux]

ok read what bill said....

so whats gonna happen now? will Mac be doing something to make their bottles legal to use in tournies like the south pac's?

- peace /\/\ i n i h u x

[Jamie_Cracker]

ok for all to see I will tell what happened at the 2000 APPL tourny in Michelago....The appl used to be run by manny and chris cargus(i hope thats how you spell it)anyway halfway through the saturday the compressor craps out and they were gonna can the tourny cause of no air,so we rang my father who had better things to do,and he bought down another compressor and some cylinders to help out so we could finish the tourny.Mind you I wasnt using air i was using C02 so it wasnt for me or my team..he didnt get paid to help do this he done it to help all of the people playing and what did he get,a phone call off work cover saying that MAC DEV had complained about us filling illegal cylinders and they wanted us fined which was a measly $70 000.
So after discussing with workcover what we actually done,the APPL done the filling,we both got a warning and it was let go at that.
That is what started this whole mess in the first place and i am sorry I had to drag it back into the light,i have nothing but respect for james and bourke 2 lovely guys.
We are in consultation with workcover and standards to see what we can do about the problem but at this stage I will not fill any cylinder that doesnt have a workcover number on it and AS number or documentation from the manufacturer or a recognised body that tells me that it is ok to fill the cylinder.Cause $70 000 is a lot of money

[Jamie_Cracker]

oh yeah and that previous post is not a lie or a rumour it is a fact I dont lie about stuff like that

[minihux]

thanks for clearing it up for all of us jamie.

Hopefully something can get done so people can get there bottles filled cause i know alot of people with Mac bottles.

- peace /\/\ i n i h u x

[Jamie_Cracker]

mate i so too i dont wanna have to say to some guy no sorry dude i cant fill your cylinder especially if they have travelled a fair way.I just want to play ball and help the sport grow...but i aint taking a dive for anybody

[Wayno]

Jamie big respect to you and your Dad..you guys have done more than your fair share for paintball and continue to do so. If I were in your shoes (SCD) I wouldn't be touching any tank that didn't comply with the standards...simple...and I don't think any of you out there would either...HP air is the most dangerous part of our sport..we get that right then all is cool.

Chill out people and look at the big picture..in house bickering about this sort of shit is almost embarrassing...get your gear sorted..make sure it complies with any required regulations and be done with it..after all, your gear is YOUR responsibility.

[HellSpawn]

So who's backyard was did it turn out to be?
Maybe people who live in glass house's shouldnt throw stones.

[Electrofunkster]

and should clean the walls with windex ...

[Mike]

Okay guys, I know everyone is pissed off right now, but lets see if we can only keep positive points on here for now. Spam anywhere else please!

I am hopeful that Mac Dev can get this sorted so all their customers can play the South Pacs, after all, with out any of the teams that use Mac Dev bottles the tourny will not be anywhere near as grand........................

The sport does not need this now.

[eukanuba]

Hey jamie, can I just ask a public question..

I know you guys are bound by regulation - and that's cool - I wouldnt put my ass out for $75 shell's either.. ( don't think anyone would ).

If someone was to come to the tourney and had an " unsuitable " cylinder on their marker.. you guys are obviously going to say no to filling it directly.. BUT...

Would you guys be able to fill scba or scuba cylinders so that the user can decant to a current hydro paintball fibrewrap cylinder ? ( as is what most players who play on the side do ) Do you guys have the ability to do that ?..

I'm just looking at workaround's for people who might get 'caught short' - not meaning to start a huge arguement here.. just looking at these regulations for what they are.. and maybe something can be put in place until it's all cleared up... this can only be beneficial to everyone involved...

No peeved off players, tourney's continue as usual and everyone's happy... life continues as normal..

- Euk. :thumbsup:

[Blobby]

lol kodos i was gonna take it off u got to it first....it was harsh but yet funny.

- peace /\/\ i n i h u x

mini....we all got to see what you posted before kodos deleted it......and i assure you no one found it funny.....pushing a fine line little boy........

[Electrofunkster]

and i assure you no one found it funny.....

No I did find it funny .. so please edit your post to say no one except electo found it funny :p or I'll sue you for defimation of no one by funny people ..

:help: Its only thursday and I want my new toy ...

[Hardcore]

Calm down Rubber Johnny.
Remember, it's "Tell it like it is Friday" tomorrow.

[Electrofunkster]

I regret to annonunce there will be no flaming tomorrow unless someone does something really stupid over night or tomorrow morning I will be sitting at action waiting for my new toy from about lunchtime ...

w00t !!!

[Yzo]

I regret to annonunce there will be no flaming tomorrow unless someone does something really stupid over night or tomorrow morning I will be sitting at action waiting for my new toy from about lunchtime ...

:bow: new 4x4 shocker sport.. . good luck with her john. :)

[matches]

"Worksafe QLD DO NOT require a design verification number (as required in other states) they only require a Australian Test Station Mark."........OK Groovy :)

As Im a lazy and cant be assed reading through all the Threads......

1. So does this restict people from playing in other states if there bottle does not show the correct numbers ?

2. Does anyone have an accurate list of what is required for each State (besides QLD).

3. As we all now require bottles that meet Australian standards, who has actually had a regulator with 3000 to 4500 PSI behind it tested to meet Aus standards ??
99% of the bottles i have seen or used are allways in good nick, but over the years ive seen some really abused regulators.
:)

[Electrofunkster]

:bow: new 4x4 shocker sport.. . good luck with her john. :)

its a pump you fooool :evil

[Jamie_Cracker]

Euk yes we can fill scuba cylinders and they can decant from them,as long as they are in test..but iam not going to supply them and you can only get a max of 3000psi and even that is hard to get off a scuba tank

[Blobby]

No I did find it funny .. so please edit your post to say no one except electo found it funny :p or I'll sue you for defimation of no one by funny people ..

:help: Its only thursday and I want my new toy ...


yes but johnny boy you are of the same maturity as mini aint you....

[BIG ROB]

Damn, I was too slow and missed what was said.

[Mike]

"Worksafe QLD DO NOT require a design verification number (as required in other states) they only require a Australian Test Station Mark."........OK Groovy :)

As Im a lazy and cant be assed reading through all the Threads......

1. So does this restict people from playing in other states if there bottle does not show the correct numbers ?

2. Does anyone have an accurate list of what is required for each State (besides QLD).

3. As we all now require bottles that meet Australian standards, who has actually had a regulator with 3000 to 4500 PSI behind it tested to meet Aus standards ??
99% of the bottles i have seen or used are allways in good nick, but over the years ive seen some really abused regulators.
:)

Yes Matches, this does present a problem for tournies held outside QLD (like the bloody Masters, Doh!!!!!).

For instance in NSW, Workcover is very specific.

Clause 9.2 state that in relation to AS2030, a design registration number SHALL be marked on the cylinder or on marking permanatley attached to the cylinder. (The Shall is to be taken as mandatory/ i.e. it MUST be on the bottle). This must be done "BEFORE" a test stamp can be placed on any bottle.

So to answer your question, you will be very restricted as to using your non approved bottle down here. I believe Victoria, South Australia and West Australia all have a recipracle aggreement in relation to pressure vessels. So no, you can not use your bottle legally anywhere else anyway.

Workcover has a very simple system, if the bottle does not have a registration number marked on it, than it is not approved, (No matter what anyone else tells you) test label, big sticker or anything else does not change this in any way.

In relation to regulators, I believe that they do not need Workcover or Standards Australia approval the same as bottles but I will check with workcover tommorrow about that.

On a separate note, the fines are no longer for filling an approved bottle but for using one, so the good news is that Jamie and Les no longer have to worry about copping any fines. They now go to the user, with the maximum fine for a using a non approved bottle being only $11,000.00 (level 3 offence apparently), which is lot less than the old $75,000.00 fine before. This is in NSW but I was informed that in the other states there are similar ones.

Any one can easily ring the helpful lads at Workcover themselves to see what I am saying is fact.

The ruling about the silly laws in QLD is what has caused all the problems with misinformation and conjecture.

In its most basic form this is the situation in Australia, you can get kind of bodgy approval for your bottle through numerous test stations in QLD but in the end you will not be able to use it pretty much anywhere but QLD.

So if you only intend to play paintball in QLD then sweet go for it........ but if you wish to play elsewhere then you do not really have much choice other than to get a properly approved bottle.

That said , while I was dealing with workcover today the gentleman who I was talking to seemed to think it was only a matter of time before QLD caught up with the rest of Australia anyway, so that bottle you get approved tommorrow may not be able to be used for all that long anyway.

There is no misinformation in this post.................................

[Kristen]

Yes Matches, this does present a problem for tournies held outside QLD (like the bloody Masters, Doh!!!!!).

For instance in NSW, Workcover is very specific.

Clause 9.2 state that in relation to AS2030, a design registration number SHALL be marked on the cylinder or on marking permanatley attached to the cylinder. (The Shall is to be taken as mandatory/ i.e. it MUST be on the bottle). This must be done "BEFORE" a test stamp can be placed on any bottle.



"on the cylinder or on marking permanatley attached" would mean apoxied on to the bottle like macdev do wouldnt it ?

[Mike]

I don't know what is so hard about all this, I said before that I do not have a Mac Dev system, so I can not comment on that particular bottle, but if they have a design number permanately placed on the bottle in any form then I would assume that they are approved. This whole post is not to attack Mac Dev or any other brand of air system but to give everyone a clear understanding of what is approved and what is not.

[matches]

Ok thanks for the info Mike. :)

I use a Luxfer bottle with all the approved numbers, so ill be ok to play anywhere. :)

[Kristen]

Ok I just wanted to make sure I understood the meaning Clause 9.2
as it could be read to state permanently attached as in printed on the bottle when its made or permanently attached here in Australia after being tested ,ok'ed and given a design registration number to be attached
I don’t believe I was implying you were attacking macdev if it sounded that way I apologize :kiss: ; I was just using one of their bottles as an example as I had one sitting in front of me. :respekt:

[Action John]

For everyone to see i have attached two images of our bottles with the workcover number outlined. One showing the majority of the label and the other zoomed in so you can see the number clearly.

[Kristen]

Thanx John that helps with the action bottles now we just need to see the macdev ones

[Bozo]

just have a look around and read a bit....
this link will show you a pic that illustrates the test station # on the mac bottles (as opposed to action with the work cover #)
it has been stated clearly by mike, jamie and macdev and others that you need one or the other and/or the certicateto be hassle free....

how much more do we need to be told?

http://www.billspaintball.com/vb3/attachment.php?attachmentid=3845

this link is to macdevs statement on the matter

http://www.billspaintball.com/vb3/showthread.php?t=2792&page=1&pp=15

[Kristen]

just have a look around and read a bit....
this link will show you a pic that illustrates the test station # on the mac bottles (as opposed to action with the work cover #)
it has been stated clearly by mike, jamie and macdev and others that you need one or the other and/or the certicateto be hassle free....

how much more do we need to be told?

http://www.billspaintball.com/vb3/attachment.php?attachmentid=3845

this link is to macdevs statement on the matter

http://www.billspaintball.com/vb3/showthread.php?t=2792&page=1&pp=15

Well Friend it has been stated clearly that macdev are using carleton bottles now and the pic show the older bottles made by luxfer

Cheers
Kris

[Bozo]

I think you have missed the point...

regardless of what new bottles they use they will give you what you need and if you send back the old ones they will do all of the things listed a that link....

[minihux]

mini....we all got to see what you posted before kodos deleted it......and i assure you no one found it funny.....pushing a fine line little boy........

my reply to that statement that i believe is not true.......lmao at you....ohh well i can hide behind my mummy next time we meet....lol

kill to birds with one stone buy from Action Paintball no hassels at all. i got my bottle there and it makes my cocker shoot faster then any cyborg......lol :thumbsup:

me and electro would not want to act to mature or else you would have nothing to use againest us......

- peace /\/\ i n i h u x

[Blobby]

have you taken to smoking crack now....????? wtf did you just say?....can anyone translate???????

[Hideous]

Ignore it mate... he does go away

[Blobby]

but how ?....do i need to turn on a light or something?????

[minihux]

have u turned on a light yet..........im still here

- peace /\/\ i n i h u x

[Hideous]

no lights in that Dark hole !!!

hey did you like my raced Sonic 03 Cocker ?... Orian was using it in Fallout

[TRENT]

Sorry to Disappoint you Hideous but it was you 03 Shocker that triple taped Mini in the head in the zipper. Yes the same one that shot Leggo in the Back and Deadeye in the X. :-)

Oh yes, on topic it ws powered by a Macdev Conquest with a now Approved Bottle.

[Hideous]

You shot your own team mate in the back ?

[TRENT]

maybe :rolleyes:

[Blobby]

it was leggo........who wouldnt......????????

[BIG ROB]

Sam got hellspawn twice, it certainly motivated him.

[Hideous]

Need a STUPIDITY Award for team mates doing that.

It has taken 13 months for me to loose the last bruise i took --- from 50mm away.

The only time i wanted to hurt someone besides Deadeye