Field paint - too expensive?

[Hideous]

It's a shame, but Bill is right in the WANTED forum about FIELD versus PERSONAL paint.

Some Australian field owners wont allow you to use your own paint.

But I ask Why?

Can someone tell me why some field owners don't allow it ?
I can understand a field fee etc., lunches, air, C02 tec

But there is a WIDE distance between punters and most paintballers here.

I realise they have to make money from paint, yet it is always the NUMBER 1 complaint from punters.

I don't like field paint, its generally poor to average quality, and paying up to $240 for a case of Chronic when I can get it for $85 prevents me from even visiting these establishments.

A 20% margin is acceptable in any business terms.

It's a catch 22 situation, most people i have tried to get interested have tried ONCE, and wont go back directly because of the cost of field paint.

The question is are they being greedy trying to squeeze the last cent out of punters and hurting the sport ?

[Sniper666]

I totally agree without Hideous.
When buying cases of paint it works out to about 4 cents a ball, where as if you go to a commerically operated venue for punters, who are paying about 20 cents a ball, sometimes even more.
It is my belief that under these cicumstances that potential paintballers are being turned away from the sport by greedy commercial operators.

Would you rather them to come once and over pay like they are now, or want them come regularly and make a smaller but still decent profit, and as a result keep both parties happy ?

[Hardcore]

If I was a field operator, I know what group I'd prefer to have play at my field, and it wouldn't be tourny players.
Cater only to tourny players, and you'll starve, plan and simple.

You've got to factor in a lot of things, you can't just call field operators greedy if you're not aware of what cost are associated with starting and running a paintball field.

[ben@pbhub.de]

paint = money - that easy. Don't argue, you will haveto build your own field and do a BYO one. This is what I did in Germany. But you won't earn much, won't get good dealer prices since you're not buying a lot of paint.

[Damo]

ok guys, if you knew the cost of running a paintball feild (or any bussiness for that fact) you would know that the consumables are what normally makes the money and keeps the bussiness going. if feild opperators were selling paint at 5 cents a shot to puntters, then there would be no feild opperators. its as simple as that.

and MOST feilds in queensland allow you to bring walk on paint if you are a tourney player

my 5 cents :)

[mattz0r]

Top gun have the right idea I reckon. Give good paintball prices to members, yet still charge a premium to one off's and companies etc. That way if people want to get into the sport, they can take that leap and get a membership; while the field won't go broke.

But charging 25c per paintball is rediculous, no matter what. My first game of paintball blew a $100 hole in my wallet, and thats using pump guns for a few hours! Surely 15c to one off's and 5c to members would be feasible and profitable?

[Knackers]

well its not just all proffit you have to consider wages, INSURANCE!!!! (huge $) leal fees, miscellaneous overheads, breakages, repairs. all these go into the difference between 5c & 20c per ball. they are entitled to make proffit it is a busness afterall.

[Hardcore]

Why are people so down on others making a profit?

[Damo]

because they cant get something for nothing

[Deadeye]

There are obviously the fields like action who have better than average prices and put a lot back into the business. Then there are the shonky fields where the owners pay refs minimal, put nothing back into the business practically, are still running pumps and build there fields for free by using old drums from industrial places etc...then they charge 25c a ball and the punters do indeed get TOTALLY RIPPED OFF, but they can and do do this cause their acting in an oligopoly in a market were theres not many substitutes and players are forced to pay their demanded price.

10c to 15c a ball would be ideal IMO at that level a acceptable profit margin can be attained and punters are paying huge amounts and can then come back more and more and get into the sport witha bit of luck. Different fields would obviously have to charge the higher or lower depending on their outlay of costs and need to make a acceptable profit so they can reach their business objectives.

PROBABLY the reason a lot of fields wouldn't be happy with players bringing their own paint is because they may tell the punters that they get it for 4c a ball and that could make some unhappy customers which wouldn't be nice in an industry where customer retainment is highly important.

If they trust the players let them bring their own paint which would be nice just throw in the proviso if that they cant tell any punters and if they do obviously their could be serious ramifacations for that player and Im sure all players would stick to the provision and all would be good:)

[Fly Angel]

Rec players are paying 10 cents per shot here in Townsville!!!! Cheap paint more players!!! :dance: :dance: :dance:

:angel: :angel: :angel: :angel:

[Mike]

If we charged 10c per ball, we would be broke after the first week, it is called overheads. Running a proper paintball field has lots of huge expences from things like public liabitlity, fire and loss of trade insurance, throught to property rents (or property loan repayments), staff wages, super and workers compensation right through to stupid little things like staples, paper waste removal and food. These costs all grow as your business gets bigger to make matters harder. Lets not forget what the average field would spend on replacement lenses and gun parts. Last year we spent over $25,000 (at our cost) on Spectre lenses alone for our rental customers.

While we are on the topic of charging too much, I personally really like cars and I wish new Commodores were only $10,000.00. It would be nice. :rolleyes: After all, they would sell so many more cars wouldn't they?

It is a free market, I know that in Sydney we (the greedy field operators) all charge what we think we can to stay in business. Funny thing is we all charge about the same, within a few bucks of each pther. There is definately no price colusion (after alll we don't all get along). So if anyone thinks the industry has got it all wrong, then I suggest you put your money where you mouth is abd open your own 4c,10c, or 15 cent field and clean up. :thumbsup:

[Demon_Cleaner]

Like others have said b4 I, business is business, in order for the field ops to have a successfull one, they need to have these policies.

last time i was out at top gun, went through a cpl of hundred $$$ worth, best money ive spent i thought, the more money i spent, the more fun i had

:)

[Deadeye]

My prices were just rough estimates at 10c to 15c had a look at action and looks like you guys are like 15-17.5c depending on deal which is pretty close to what i was estimating was a good price for a business with larger outlay. Wasn't suggesting collusion either, was saying that because there is only a small amount of fields in each area or state, punters will just go to the closest field or they may only know 1 or 2 fields and in general dont shop around and field owners know this and actually the big distance between fields in some areas kind of makes the industry in those areas a competitive monopoly so the fields can be price markers to a degree and charge 25c.

[Blobby]

10 g for comodores......yippee.....they will deffinately sell more and therefore they must make more money...NOT........mike is right......if you want to cash in on the rip offs that us feild operators make you pay, go try it......but if you do try it do it right, insuransce, licencing, staff, all metioned above......you do it and see if you can make a profit to live off.........

[Souse]

One thing a lot of people are forgetting is that prices havent really gone up in the last 10 years. While almost every thing else has. Guaranteed the operators are paying nearly double the rent they were then.

As for bringing your own paint I dont know a field where newbies can bring thier own paint. I run a pub and I can tell you there would be no way you would be bringing your own beer in and drinking it.

So guys build a bridge and get over it. Theres a lot of things in life we may think are not fair.

[Sniper666]

If paintball operators make punters sign a waiver before they play, why are they paying liability insurance.

[Rex]

If you want to byo paint then play tournaments.
Any field not charging 15 to 20 cents per ball is either rich or enjoys working for peanuts.
I have a field and know the costs involved and I certainly dont have a problem paying 15 to 20 cents per ball at other fields.
So like souse said...build a bridge.

Insurance companys tell us to get the all players to sign disclaimers.

[JJJ]

Wasn't suggesting collusion either, was saying that because there is only a small amount of fields in each area or state, punters will just go to the closest field or they may only know 1 or 2 fields and in general dont shop around and field owners know this and actually the big distance between fields in some areas kind of makes the industry in those areas a competitive monopoly so the fields can be price markers to a degree and charge 25c.

What a load of crap. I hope you apply yourself to your studies better than this or you will still be packing supermarket shelves when your 50!

[Deadeye]

back to finger painting class you go JJJ

[doug eddy]

As always guys if you believe you can make a difference by starting a field and selling paint for 4 cents a ball all the best
Are you using markers as well???? to fire the ball??
Please wake up and smell the crap your spreading

[Cougar]

If you want to play for 4 cents a ball, do what I did spend a minimum 40 to 50K and buy your own F##K##G! FIELD IDIOT.

[MelonFarmer]

Ok hows this - you can play for 5c a ball, but the field fees are now $80 per player. :angel:

[Bill]

Ok hows this - you can play for 5c a ball, but the field fees are now $80 per player. :angel:

And thats hit the nail on the head.

Speaking from experience an entry fee of say $30 comes no where near paying insurance, refs, M&R and a shitload of other expenses.

Paintball operators stay in business by the money they make on paint sales.

If you want cheap paint for everyone (ie 4c per ball or such) then the entry fee is going to have to be very high to cover the day to day costs of the business.

[Fly Angel]

Mental note to self !!!!!! Must have Proper paintball field. :yes:

If we can provide paintballs at 10 cents per ball to our customers and survive then we will make it cheaper for people to play ad no we dont have the biggest and best of everthing but hey rec players dont really care. !!!

My 10 cents worth !!!! :kiss: :kiss:

:angel: :angel: :angel:

[Kenty]

If paintball operators make punters sign a waiver before they play, why are they paying liability insurance.


Cause as far as i know paintball markers about 1 day ago were still down as registed firearms and if you dont have a firearms licince or a place to fire them then the waiver will let you do this.

Its like walking in to a firing range and firing a pistol try it!!

[Knackers]

Most of us remember paying 300 bux for a box of paint when semis were relativly new! prices of rec paint was around 20c per ball, Speed of markers increased, Paint manufacturers made more paint (higher volume brings costs down)................Feild opps paint bills went down but all other expences didnt, So thats most likly the reason that the 20c ball price has stayed the same.

I payed 20c per ball years ago & that didnt make me think that this sport is a ripoff, it is expensive but so is everything these days, I payed 20 bux for a 10 min taxi fare the other day, the price is the price & thats that, everyone thinks that they can do a better job, well go to it!!!

It seems that the same ppl winge at the way a tournie is run, the same ppl dont clean their area of rubbish at a tournie, they dont help set up or pull down anything b4 or after a tournie & they all want something for nothing!!!

STIFF SHIT!!

[Knackers]

[QUOTE=Mike]

While we are on the topic of charging too much, I personally really like cars and I wish new Commodores were only $10,000.00. It would be nice. :rolleyes: After all, they would sell so many more cars wouldn't they?
[QUOTE]

hey if I buy one of those commodores at the same time I recon they should give us a bigger discount!!! 5k each???

Hey if we all get togeather & buy one at the same time, Holden might pay us some money to take them off their hands :bigparty:

[Mike]

Hi Rick,

Not really a fair comparison dude, depending on your council you may have to spend a hell of a lot more money just to set up than what you guys did. Not all fields are able to be set up in someone elses business's back paddock.

[Fly Angel]

Hi Mike,
Wasnt trying to compare it with anyone at all Dude !!!! :confused: :confused:

I was only answering a thread and letting the guys on here know that we are trying to get more and more people into the sport by providing a cheap price to play. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

And with regards to our BACK PADDOCK we still had to go throught the proper channels with council approval before we started. Nothing is FREE my friend !!!!!! :cry: :cry:

:angel: :angel: :angel:

[Hideous]

I payed 20c per ball years ago & that didnt make me think that this sport is a ripoff, it is expensive but so is everything these days, I payed 20 bux for a 10 min taxi fare the other day, the price is the price & thats that, everyone thinks that they can do a better job, well go to it!!!

The whole point of the thread was to get people's opinions, as there really isn't a rec scene here in Australia.

Lets face it , its just tourney players here online.

I played punters enough in the 90's @ 25c a ball that I only play Tourney - which most of us here on Bill's do

What I don't like hearing is why we as Tourney players don't support the fields and "get numbers" on the field, so the operators can make a $$ and get more people involved.

We are a different kettle of fish here in Melbourne as here the commercial field operators are thin as chips here.

It's the ONLY complaint rec/punters players have... that stop them from going back a second time.

What I am trying to ascertain is there a solution to get the punters back for a 2nd to 10th time ?

I had just made a suggestion for "things to do" in as an Office activity in NSW. "Paintball", I suggested - and the immediate reply was "its costs too much". So it looks like go-carting yet again.

[Fly Angel]

[/QUOTE}I had just made a suggestion for "things to do" in as an Office activity in NSW. "Paintball", I suggested - and the immediate reply was "its costs too much". So it looks like go-carting yet again.[/QUOTE]



Problem solved move to Townsville !!!!!!!!! :beer: :beer:

:angel: :angel: :angel: :angel:

[Knackers]

What I don't like hearing is why we as Tourney players don't support the fields and "get numbers" on the field, so the operators can make a $$ and get more people involved.
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I was once told by a feild opp that tournie players dont create work for them!!!

well I still think to this day that that statement is horse shit. I for one when being asked "where do you play cos I'd love to give it a go?" & I'll tell them where I think their best value for money is!! & they went there, had a ball & have kept going & I bet all who read this would have done the same!!

[Hardcore]

It's like Mike said. Me playing tourny level paintball at Action isn't gonna put his kids through college.
I get plenty of question about playing paintball as a hobby when I train at Action, most of the being directed at my Timmy; "How much did that cost mate?"
After telling them, I quickly footnote it by saying that you can get into the sport fairly cheaply, and once you own a gun, your paint costs you less.

These days, people expect something for nothing, and if you're not willing to spend a bit of money on your hobby, then I guess you'll be spared the sight of me rushing you and putting a welt on your chest.

I for one am glad that field operators charge social players that price, it lets them build better fields, run tournys, have lots of nice stock for me to drool over, and keeps their kids fed. (Not in order of importance).

[Mike]

Sorry guys, but Go Karting is far more expensive than paintballing. I love to go Karting but to do so for 5 - 6 hours..............would cost several hundred dollars per person. Some of the flasher tracks like mad ones at Eastern Creek cost $220.00 for a two hour session (meals are included)

[Hideous]

Sorry guys, but Go Karting is far more expensive than painballing. I love to go Karting but to do so for 5 - 6 hours..............would cost several hundred dollars per person. Some of the flasher tracks like mad ones at Eastern Creek cost $220.00 for a two hour session (meals are included)

I TOTALLY agree, besides I can drive my Honda around in the supermarket carpark and have as much fun... until the police case me away :D :

Mike: I just showed them the your website and told them to CALL you, cos its not as expensive as they thought. . . :whip: :thumbsup:

[Sundra]

I have been involved in running fields for almost 10 years here in perth, and paint price has always been a touchy subject between field owners and tournie players, what most of us do to try and keep the peace is if a tournie player organises a CORPORATE day we charge them a "gun owner rate" which is usually $10 for field fee to cover his/her lunch and then 10 cents a ball, I know its not tournie rates but its not a tournie day! we also do a "refs rate" were other people in the field industry come and get the same but 8cents a ball (much the same as an industry night at pubs for others in the circle) I know its not as cheap as buying your own case BUT its not a Tournie, its the way we make our living, if we all started to cut each others throats on price there would be no fields left hence no where to play....there goes paintball, we all need to keep it real.

[eukanuba]

Last year we spent over $25,000 (at our cost) on Spectre lenses alone for our rental customers.

Mike, that's where you guys are different...

When I was a Corporate/Rec Player - I never played at a field with rental goggs that didnt look like they'd well passed their used by date..

You'd have to one of the minority that care about lens replacement..

I get the general impression from the posters that " Making the paint cheaper will bring em in, snag em on the chips - coke and accessories ! "

You've got to admit - .20 - .25c a ball.. W0W !

I understand both sides of the story, I am guessing they're just moaning about these " Half Assed " fields where people are spending top dollar - and not even getting a tin hut.. where as you guys have ( from the sounds of it ) a fully kitted outfit..

Chalk and Cheese really.. each field is different, its not the field but the people and the quality of the ref's that will keep em coming back for more..
But yes, I do agree - making the day a little more " Wallet friendly " could bring repeat customers a bit more often..

- Euk.

[Mike]

Yes guys all fields are different, please do not think that I am having a go at any field operators out there, to me they are all legends because they have risked it all so other people can play paintball.

Our approach (At Action Paintball) is to charge what we think is a fair price, give our cutomers the very best rental equipment, fields, lunches and service we can, try to make a decent margin to pay all our bills. We bring our customers in throught our door through word of mouth and by spending a small fortune advertising ourselves originally on mainstream radio (Austereo network 2Day FM and MMM FM) and now on commercial Sydney TV with channel 7,9 and 10. This plan has brought us around 15,000 punters a year (with hopefully a lot more to come!). To me this brings in a lot more people now than ever before when we just discounted all our packages on the hope that because it is cheaper people will play more.

Tournament players have NEVER had it so good!

All your equipment, guns, goggles and all the other gear INCLUDING paintballs have never been so cheap!

Rental Customers are in a very similar situation, they are paying less now to play with FAR superior equipment and facilites than ever before.

Want to pay less for everything?

Easy open a field....................

[Mike]

p.s. if you want to see our latest Telly adds they are both on our website

www.actionpaintball.com.au

scroll down the first page

Let me know what you think, I would prefer only feed back like "WOW best add ever!" , "Better than The Matrix!" or " GEE Mike looks really buff!".


Disclaimer "Mike not in TV ad, too pretty for telly :cry: "

[TRENT]

Unfortanatly Paintball isnt big enough is australia to have field like they do in the US which cater for mainly tourny players and are open 7days a week and you can just rock up and play with your mates on the speedball or sup-air field. This sort of play allows for cheaper paintballs because they get people continually coming in, buying gear from there shop and dont have people running scenarios like u do at normal punter days here. Maybe in the future as PB grows you will see these where you bring your own gear or hire gear and pay either a field fee for air fills and use of field and can BYO paintballs or buy them there for a normal retail prices or just above them if you have to use theres.

Best way to get the sport to grow though is to give punters the real prices off playing paintball as a tourney player as they most think that balls are 20-25c a ball even for us. Most people i tell i play paintball are yeah but its so expensive but once i tell them the price i pay they are like wow sounds good and they may join club.

[Aden_1]

Well here is my 2c...
From a player trying to get into the sport!!!

My First Rec day I payed about $160+ for the day...(9-2pm)
An amazing day that i was well prepared to fork out the cash to experience paintball...
Buying a package with paint was fair and well justified.
(buying the extra 200 painballs for $44 hurt the pocket!)

Nether the less the day was fantastic and it got me more than interested in playing again and again!!!

So i make the move and try to get into the sport...
Attend training on a sunday as often as possible, sometimes every week, some times ever fortnight...

But i still find my self spending up to $120 ever week, buying paing, and hireing a gun.
Not to mention trying to save for a Gun, Goggles, Jersey, pack .etc .etc

What im finding is its difficult to slide into the sport if you dont have upwards of $1500 to invest in gun / gear...

I see the Rec-scene fees as pretty fair with paint included in a package.
but its slightly budget breaking to easily shoot upwards of $22 per game, for extra paint, dont you think?

What i think needs to happen, (for people like me, who played and loved paintball the first time) to be able to get the low cost paint the tourney/marker owners enjoy. This will enlighten players to the benefits of playing regurally, while giving them the leway to save for their own gear / gun.

At the moment, im trying to save for a marker/gear...
all while forking out upto $120 per week, to play the sport... (not much saving happening!!)

Thats just my opinion! no offence intended to anyone...
I just think there needs to be a much lower price, for people looking to get into the sport after playing under the fair prices of the REC games... (which are justified)

Because i know from experience its stopping me affording a marker and gear at the moment, while i try to battle the price of paint to keep playing, while i attempt to get into the sport...

[Electrofunkster]

Aden .. whats wrong with this ... from actions web site ...

Every Sunday is Sup'Air Sunday at Action Paintball. Many of Australia's top teams, including the reigning national champions Sydney S.W.A.T., use Sup'Air Sundays to hone their skills. For a limited time if you come out to Action Paintball on Sunday afternoon to have a go at team training time (2pm), we have a special beginners offer. Rent an awesome Taipan Marker for only $30, next grab your paintballs at the rediculous price of only $10 per 100. Yes we know it's crazy talk, that's less than half price!!! Call now on (02)9679-0011 for full details on this very limited offer.

[Hardcore]

1/ Play fortnightly.
2/ Save enough to buy a Dragun T.E.S, or other entry level marker, then start saving for a better gun. That way, you'll have a back up gun when your $2000 marker dies on you first day of tournament.
3/ Enjoy the savings

[TRENT]

Cause $10 for 100 is still expensive. That over double the regular price. Wouldnt a field fee of $20-$30 be better as it is a flat fee no matter how much u shoot. Shooting more paint doesnt cost them extra expenses.

[Knackers]

LMAO.....You guys just dont get it.

[Sonic]

Cause $10 for 100 is still expensive. That over double the regular price. Wouldnt a field fee of $20-$30 be better as it is a flat fee no matter how much u shoot. Shooting more paint doesnt cost them extra expenses.

You do know what paintballs can do to trees and bunkers right?

[Yzo]

LMAO.....You guys just dont get it.


if you want to play a cheap and boring sport go play soccer :hammer: :hammer: :hammer:

[Hardcore]

Or cricket.

[Sonic]

or yourself :P

[Aden_1]

Aden .. whats wrong with this ... from actions web site ...

Every Sunday is Sup'Air Sunday at Action Paintball. Many of Australia's top teams, including the reigning national champions Sydney S.W.A.T., use Sup'Air Sundays to hone their skills. For a limited time if you come out to Action Paintball on Sunday afternoon to have a go at team training time (2pm), we have a special beginners offer. Rent an awesome Taipan Marker for only $30, next grab your paintballs at the rediculous price of only $10 per 100. Yes we know it's crazy talk, that's less than half price!!! Call now on (02)9679-0011 for full details on this very limited offer.
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John.

I never said there was anyhting wrong with that from Actions Website!!!

But if i shoot 1000 shots, thats still at least $130...
When for $100, i could get a case and a bit....
(roughly 2500 shots)

im by no means winging about prices,
im simply throwing my opinion into the discussion!!!

[Knackers]

But if i shoot 1000 shots, thats still at least $130...
When for $100, i could get a case and a bit....
(roughly 2500 shots)

!!!

Yes thats the price that they set to cover overheads & to make a profit.
there is no & never will be a barter system in australia, you cant go to bungie jumping & say it doesnt cost you anything to have me jump off a bridge so therefore I dont want to pay full price!

The problem feild opps have is ppl tend to know what sort of a markup they are puting on the paint, but it isnt ALL profit.

[Hideous]

A commercial field operator has to make profits,,, its a business they need to survive so we can all benefit.

I was prepared to pay 8c a ball and the standard field fee
(includes lunch) and use my own equipment a few weekends ago.

Some punters I know can make 100 - 200 balls last almost a whole day.
Whilst shooting at Deadeye I can use that in less than 8 seconds.

[Fly Angel]

I think this thread has dribbled on enough shit !!! :yes: :yes:

Pay the price or play something else !!!!!!!!!!!!! :yell: :yell:
Aden i think the local bingo hall has a session on tonight!!! Cheap entry !!!! :lol:

:angel: :angel: :angel:

[Blobby]

all in favor of flys statement say aye...
AYE.........

[Damo]

Aye! X 2

[Hideous]

ahh yes, the masters of going off topic.

25c a ball is fine for one off customers, but I know of no tourney player willing to pay that - to play with punters.

The mean time some fields lose out.

[Blobby]

how do fields lose out?....cus you are gogin to not play at thier place unless you can pay cost for paint so therefore the field makes no money of you???????....

PAINTBALL FIELDS ARE A BUSINESS THEY HAVE TO MAKE MONEY...THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE SET UP TO DO.........
heres an idea....how about all field ops bann the whinging tourney players on here (this thread)from playing at their field....then lets see where they can play ....

[mattz0r]

Why can't they charge enough entry to cover costs (i.e. $60 for the day) while providing decently priced paint. That way you can have fun wasting paint knowing you aren't being ripped off on it. You could go though 1000 balls @ $50 on top of say $60 entry.

I'd personally prefer that over $30 entry and paying $250 for 1000 balls (which wouldn’t happen!). If I were paying that much for balls, I would have to play carefully which kills a bit of the fun; such that I kept my budget under say $110 (only 320 balls, a third of the other figure). So in reality I would be spending the same amount of money, the field would earn slightly less and I would be more likely to come back again, using what I proposed.

Surely a $110 day (minus $40 for wholesale paint - $70) would still be profitable for the field operator whilst not killing the players fun and having to watch what they shoot.

Is there anything flawed with my logic? Surely fields could still pay their costs and still make a profit off this system?

[Blobby]

the flaw with your logic........yes........where charges you 250 bucks for a 1000 balls??????

most fields already have deals around 100 to 150 bucks that will get you you entry all hire and 600 to 1000 rounds..........

[mattz0r]

My local field... :(

[Blobby]

where is your local field??? which town?

[Action John]

It's simple guys. You want cheap paint and gear?

Start or join a team, play tournies, get sponsorship, pay less.

If you don't like what I charge you to play at my field, then you can go and play somewhere else. I'm not running a charity. I like making money, it lets me buy things that I like to have. That's what bussiness's do, make money. I remember when I first started playing, you had to use a cr*p box pump with scratched goggles and with 200 shots it cost you $80.00, wow what a deal. Now you can come to my field and for $80.00 you get 600 shots, a semi auto marker, JT Spectra google with a thermal lens.

How about we go back to the old days where tournies were only $400 entry for a 10 man team but you had to buy paint from the field at 10 cents a shot. I remember playing several of them where we would shoot around 20 cases of 2500 rounds, Cool $5,000.00 for paint and you win a $30.00 trophy.

Paintball is an expensive to sport to get into, you'll get no argument from me. Alot of sports are expensive to get into, go buy a go cart and all the gear, i'll bet you'll spend more.

As I said earlier, buy your own gear (you dont have to have the best marker and best gear). Buy a cheaper marker, buy a basic goggle system, get a cheap pack, join a team, play tournies. I have seen so many players come in and they have to have the best of everything, they lay out heaps of cash and then in six months time they cant afford to play and they want to sell all of their gear.
You can set yourself up with a basic kit for less than $1000.00 bucks.

Anyway thats enough from me.

[Sundra]

yea..what john said

[Bozo]

well I spose I could rent a property, charge 20 bucks per head, let everyone bring their own gear and paint, let em bring their newby mates and keep overheads down by not having refs or insurance etc etc
.....and let em shoot each others eyes out coz noone is there to look after them...
NOT!!!!

business is business dont matter if its paintball or whatever....

[kodos]

OK if there is no more to discuss I'm closing this thread

Anyone object speak now!!! :sleep:

[Damo]

OK if's there's no more to discuss I'm closing this thread

Anyone object speak now!!!

CLOSE CLOSE CLOSE!!!

[Bill]

Ok this is just starting to go round in circles.

Both sides have been argued.

Closed.