Fill Station...Firefighters B/A hmm?

[Doggy]

Hi all, Ok heres the question, we are way out west here (well not really but there are no dive shops around) and we are wondering if a Firefighters B/A compressor can be adapted to fill SCUBA cylinders? We had a look at the fittings and they do not seem compatible. Are there adapters out there that could be used?

Thanks,

New to HPA

Doggy

[leathel]

Hi all, Ok heres the question, we are way out west here (well not really but there are no dive shops around) and we are wondering if a Firefighters B/A compressor can be adapted to fill SCUBA cylinders? We had a look at the fittings and they do not seem compatible. Are there adapters out there that could be used?

Thanks,

New to HPA

Doggy

The Breathing Apparatus filling compressor is a Scuba compressor but with 2 small differences.
The 2 differences are;
B/A cylinders have DIN fittings.
They also fill to 300bar or 4500psi.

The Deutsches Institute Für Normung (DIN) is a European standard setting organisation similar to our American National Standards Institute (ANSI) and Compressed Gas Association (CGA). The DIN 477 valve and regulator fittings are most widely used outside the U.S. The regulator first stage DIN fitting is a male screw type, and instead of clamping on to the outside of the valve as does the yoke, it screws directly into the female DIN valve. The sealing O-ring is held in the end of the regulator fitting rather than in the face of the valve. The DIN fitting comes in two versions, a 5-thread-count fitting (DIN 477/13) and a 7-thread-count fitting (DIN 477/50). The 7-thread DIN fitting is intended for use with higher-pressure cylinders. The DIN 477 system has proven to be very reliable for use with SCUBA


Unless you have a B/A compressor the chances a Fire authority will fill cylinders for you is slim to none. :(

[Baer]

Are the majority of users in Aus looking for C02 or Nitro ?
Anyone know. ? I would imagine a more consistent shot group would be with nitro, and the temp in aus would come in to play... but its not readily available right ?

[leathel]

Are the majority of users in Aus looking for C02 or Nitro ?
Anyone know. ? I would imagine a more consistent shot group would be with nitro, and the temp in aus would come in to play... but its not readily available right ?

No nitro is not worth the money.

[eukanuba]

Are the majority of users in Aus looking for C02 or Nitro ?
Anyone know. ? I would imagine a more consistent shot group would be with nitro, and the temp in aus would come in to play... but its not readily available right ?

Most players use AIR ( or nitro as you would call it ).. alot play tourney with high end markers - so co2 doesnt really get a fair run, except on corporate and reg's days.. Getting and using air is COMMON as heck, most people who have a Fibrewrap cylinder own 1 or more scuba cylinders ( I have 2 ) and carry them to training and other events when required..

Yeah, temp does work somewhat in our favour - being a warm country.. we dont get liquid co2 prob's like you guys who get snow do.. ( and -°c's temps )

The general move is toward HPA, so Co2 isnt really a player much anymore..

- Euk.

[Doggy]

What pressure is needed to fill HPA cylinders? The F/Fighter commpressor here fills a storage tank and the BAs are filled off that. Cutoff is around 2200psi? I think, I'll have to go and double check that.

Doggy

[JJJ]

Are the majority of users in Aus looking for C02 or Nitro ?
Anyone know. ? I would imagine a more consistent shot group would be with nitro, and the temp in aus would come in to play... but its not readily available right ?

No Nitro - but HPA

[ticker]

the answer to your original question is yes you can get and or make an adapter to fit from scba to scuba and the possitive pressure sets i have used are 207 bar or 3000psi which is exactly what you need

[Doggy]

Finally some good news!!! :D
I'll be making the switch. I'm glad something goes right occasionally.

:rolleyes: Now to find an adapter


Thanks Everyone

Doggy

[Electrofunkster]

Most players use AIR ( or nitro as you would call it )..


Euk ... what have I said about opening your mouth without knowing the answer ...

AIR is compressed air or High Pressure Air

Nitro is NOT !!! its Nitrogen ... like CO2 can be used to propel paintballs at people used by Yanks not by australians its more expencive too

[eukanuba]

Euk ... what have I said about opening your mouth without knowing the answer ...

You know what Electro, do some light reading..


AIR is compressed air or High Pressure Air

Actually... Seeing as you know all - And I open my mouth not knowing the answer.. its HIGH PRESSURE AIR is it ? Couldnt be ATMOSPHERIC ?

The yanks call HPA nitro, and it has ABSOLUTELY no difference as far as throwing a paintball goes.


Nitro is NOT !!! its Nitrogen ... like CO2 can be used to propel paintballs at people used by Yanks not by australians its more expencive too

Again, you should do some research electro.

Quoted from Xpaintball.com



High Pressure or Nitro Bottles
These bottles hold compressed air and offer more consistency from shot to shot. As your CO2 tank becomes empty, the paintballs' velocity will drop, costing you range and accuracy. HP bottles avoid this, as well as provide more consistency during extreme temperatures. CO2 bottles shoot at a lower velocity in the cold, and higher in the heat.

Therefore - NITRO is a generic term.. and is used by AMERICANS and CANADIANS to describe HPA ( or as you term, high pressure air ).

He ASKED - If many people down here used Nitro vs CO2.

I was under the impression he was asking about the GENERIC term for HPA vs a liquid CO2 Cylinder.

Again.. just so you know the difference..



CO2 Bottle
The tank that holds the CO2 (carbon dioxide) to propel the paintballs. They are shipped empty and can be filled at your local paintball store or field. They usually come in 7-, 9-, 12-, 16-, or 20-ounce sizes.

- Euk.

[Pompous Frog]

Look, I'm not getting dragged into this arguement but I just want to side with it.
Chris, ElectroFunkyMan is correct. HPA and Nitro are different. Nitro is not the generic term used by Americans for High Pressure Air, it is infact the generic name used by Americans, Canadians, Australians, British and Afghanies for the compressed gas Nitrogen.

The quote that you posted just states that the bottles are either called HPA bottles or Nitro bottles because they are created to hold Nitrogen or HPA at the pressures of 3000psi 4500psi and so on. The bottles can hold both gasses at this pressure because, as my understanding goes, both gasses have similar properties.

I'm not trying to be big or anything, I'm not putting you down in any way, it's just that FunkyMan is correct. Nitro and HPA are completely different things. They just work in the same bottles.

Oh yeah, I don't want to see this thread turn into an argument so let's all just leave the whole thing as it is. The bloke who started this thread still might get some information on his intended subject so let's not ruin his thread.

[eukanuba]

yeah, fair enuff..

maybe the original poster can clarify if he meant nitrogen fills ? or just the generic term ?

You can read into the post either way, depending on your experiences..