prices & new laws

[Demon_Cleaner]

Hi people, I'm interested to know that when the new gun laws change (or come into affect), Will the prices or markers come down?

and does anyone know the price range for the hurricane markers?

Cheers guys

[bunkerboy]

Hurricanes are made by Macdev, in Sydney somewhere, and their price is $660 to the best of my knowledge, and their price will most probably not be changed by any changes in the law. Best way to go is to give MacDev a buzz on the dog'n bone, DC.
Either that or wait for the changes and then buy secondhand. It's going to be a buyers market when it happens.

[Mary101]

look on the macdev website for full details

[Demon_Cleaner]

Cheers guys, a few more questions (I'm fairly new at paintball, only played it 3 times and was hooked on it) so expect a few more questions in the near future,

Does anyone know approx. when the gun laws will change?

and im looking forward to witnessing my 1st tournament (from the sidelines of course) at the topgun fields this comming sat - sun. will be good to see how the "pros" do it.

:respekt:

[kodos]

Does anyone know approx. when the gun laws will change?

and im looking forward to witnessing my 1st tournament (from the sidelines of course) at the topgun fields this comming sat - sun. will be good to see how the "pros" do it.

:respekt:

Changes to the laws are on-going keep reading the posts 'cause it will show up here as soon as anything happens.

Hope ya enjoy the tourney next weekend even if it is from the sidelines but I won't turn up until Sunday it's only a one day event :)

[Camo]

Hey mate

Prices will go down considerably when the laws change, from what i can remember the laws have been passed but still need to be writtien in the gazztee.

and as bunkerboy said, 2nd hand guns will drop heaps after the laws, so wait till then, cause you pick up a really good 2nd hand gun.

[I.R.Three]

Cuz of current laws here in Oz, we have been getting ripped for a long time on marker prices. When laws do finally change, and we hope for the best, YES prices will drop. Dont hold you breath on that happening to soon, as it is a long and lengthy process which they are in no rush for. Better of just getting money together and buying now. If you wait, you dont know how long you will be waiting for.
My thoughts..
Enjoy the Tourny, it will open your eyes to Paintball as we know it.

[Studio 54]

Cuz of current laws here in Oz, we have been getting ripped for a long time on marker prices. When laws do finally change, and we hope for the best, YES prices will drop. Dont hold you breath on that happening to soon, as it is a long and lengthy process which they are in no rush for. Better of just getting money together and buying now. If you wait, you dont know how long you will be waiting for.
My thoughts..
Enjoy the Tourny, it will open your eyes to Paintball as we know it.

sage advice - waiting around for politicians is boring, the importation laws are definately changing, but as IR Three points out, you're wasting valuable playing time waiting for the change

[Deadeye]

Anyone know when the Gazette comes out??

[Souse]

Anyone know when the Gazette comes out??

the gov't gazette comes out every wednesday. There are also a couple of different ones that come out as needed

[Deadeye]

then the new laws should already be official?? It was posted by several people that the laws had been passed through parliament and as soon as the gazette came out it was official. So whats really happening?

[TRENT]

It was a huge scam to get everyone's hopes up! These laws are never changing. I'll beleive it when people start selling new markers at prices that reflect the exchange rate, not the exchange rate plus 50-100%.

[Souse]

the only marker prices that will change are the second hand ones

[TRENT]

i dont think so. Marker prices are so overpriced at the moment. People are paying an extra 500-700 dollars over the US retail price on top end markers. Even lower end markers are overpriced. Tippman 98 is around 450-500 AUS and retail for 139US. I dont think the exchange rate is that bad.

[kodos]

i dont think so. Marker prices are so overpriced at the moment. People are paying an extra 500-700 dollars over the US retail price on top end markers. Even lower end markers are overpriced. Tippman 98 is around 450-500 AUS and retail for 139US. I dont think the exchange rate is that bad.

Not only exchange rates that you have to consider there's also import taxes, GST, customs duty etc but i agree something is not right with that sort of price difference.

[Hideous]

Everyone knows what the retail prices are overseas so lets assume that your following costs will include:

Customs - 5% this is a confirmed rate - as they are classed as air rifles

Customs duty varies from around 5% up to say 35% for wool. The duty varies per product. And since it has been illegal to import markers,
they haven't set a duty yet. Your guess is as good as anyones. JD

Sorry JD you are wrong it has been set for years

Handling 5% or $50
Insurance $50
Transport $60 US per marker individually sent via Fedex

GST - 10%

So say a $1000 marker + 5% DUTY =$1050 + $160 handling, transport and insurance=$1210 + $121.00 GST = $1321.00 Then the most a dealer i have heard charge was $100 for organising the B709, making it a grand total of $1421.00 landed excluding a $9 permit to purchase

Now this is for an individual - an instant 40% markup from OS prices



For a Business

Buy at wholesale retail price, and add % - profit say 20% + for a business.

Then setup costs such as:
Firearms dealers licence - $250 per year and
Security say $1200 per year
Insurance sat $2000 per year
Safe $1000

Unless another 10,000 people take up paintball markers wont cost that much less.

[Blobby]

dont forget you are paying for the chance to have a semi auto which is illegal to import...there is the rick factor to the importor........that got to be worth something?

[TRENT]

Have to remember all these other countries have to pay import duties as well. Not many markers are made in USA. Angels for example come from UK and sell for 1300US but here they are around 2500 new and im sure the people who are getting them in arnt paying any GST or much Duty.

[TRENT]

We are talking after laws changes Blobby as they said prices wont change after new laws.

[Mary101]

mark up on retail stuff usually fairly massive (note I said usually)

[TRENT]

Dont forget the people importing these markers wont be paying retail prices after law changes. They will be getting them at wholesale prices.

[Deadeye]

Well Angel Speeds go for about 2100-2500 here brand new. They cost about $800US, then a dealers price will be lower again. Like maybe $500-$600US as a hack guess, with exchange rate make that $900AUS, then add taxes, postage etc might go up to $1300maxmimum. Thats a big saving.

I think it depends on the avenue that people currently get their markers whether a 3rd party is involved or not.

[Mary101]

Dont forget the people importing these markers wont be paying retail prices after law changes. They will be getting them at wholesale prices.


yes, but importing means paying for shipping, then making a profit means raising the price, and since I have the feeling that markers are not going to be like hot cakes. The final cost probably going to be considerable if you go through a australian agent, perhaps less if you go direct but could also cause problems, this is supposition on my part though based on experience in my line of work where alot of stuff is imported from the states and people wait for the dollar to shift into high gear against the US currency to buy their equipment.

[TRENT]

The dollar is high compared to the 55c it was a year ago. That's what wholeprices are for. It allows for shipping, taxes and profit to be added to make a retail price. Remember the US sellers have to pay duties, taxes, shipping as well and they still make a profit selling retail. I know may be a bit more but we are talking 1-200dollars not any more than that.

[I.R.Three]

I cant belive it. Im in shock. Studio HO actually agreed with me for once.

[Booney]

Does anyone know how much & how the import taxes work?

[TRENT]

Sort off, im unsure on exactly how much import tax there will be on markers though. I do know there isnt any import tax on paintballs but i'm unsure about markers.

[GAV WA]

Believe me the difference from retail to what dealers get markers for isn't that much (well with WDP it isn't) and untill we can legally start bringing markers into the country we won't know for sure what taxes the government will put on paintball markers. With the way the governments work we could even see prices go up as Little Johnnie puts a 30% import Duty on markers so he can pay for his new curtains. People who haven't brought markers in to Aus. before don't fully understand the effort and people involved so yeah the excercise can be a bit costly.
But this thread started with a question about the Hurricane which is made by Mac Dev, an Australian company selling Australian made markers in Australia, why would they be affected by the change in laws? They aren't affected by the current laws so the only reason that I can see for their price to change would be to stay competitive with the influx of imported stuff.

[minihux]

true gav.

if anything the price of Mac Devs markers would drop because of the higher flow of markers coming in from over seas.

and to import a marker it takes alot of bloody effort and running around but at the end of the day its worth it.

- peace /\/\ i n i h u x

[Cpt.Krunch]

Guys, I'm not sure you're aware, but markers will be classified as a firearm. To import one, you will need to have a dealers licence. Even a paintball licence (or cat A) is not enough.

I must say that I do find it amusing some of the simplified pricing structures I have seen in this post.

I'm sure that everyone who imports gear, Action, Paintball Aus, Semoz etc is pissing themselves laughing at the total lack of a clue that many paintballers seem to have about importing.

In short, prices WILL go down, but if you expect to see a new Angel Speed for sale for $1,300 Aus, I think you may be disapointed.

JD

Tip: Read GAV WA posts for a better idea than most.

[TRENT]

They have been sold in NZ for $1500 . Our dollar is better than there's thus the estimate of $1300.

[Dannefaerd]

The going price for Speeds in NZ (at the moment) is around $1700 or so depending on who you know, the Fx rate of the day and other minor stuff.

This includes 0% tariff (we have no duty on guns here) and 12.5% GST.

Marty

[doug eddy]

Hurricanes are not the only marker made here in Australia. We can sell you a Piranha that is made here, for $550.00 and it includes 12oz bottle hopper and barrel plug.
Doug

[Hideous]

Hurricanes are not the only marker made here in Australia. We can sell you a Piranha that is made here, for $550.00 and it includes 12oz bottle hopper and barrel plug.
Doug


uh huh

Pic ?

[Deadeye]

you mean assembled here?

[Orian]

i always thought piranha was a product of PMI which is an american based company, as far as i knew they didn't make any markers here in Aus.

[Big Gav]

Doug holds a lisence to manufature PMI Piranha in Australia. That was poined out to us by PMI when we signed a contract with PMI after the RPS buy out.

[JJJ]

Doug holds a lisence to manufature PMI Piranha in Australia. That was poined out to us by PMI when we signed a contract with PMI after the RPS buy out.

And they had to point this out because Big Gav never learnt to read!!!

Come on Doug, you should be talking this up on Bills a little more. I think everyone thought you had imported models to sell when you advertised before on Bills. You have a great deal and product there.

[doug eddy]

I probably should advertise more thru Bills but probably the best thing to do is let you talk to Big Gav as they have a sample of our markers and can supply to you guys over there.
we also do a range of electronic s on the same frame
Doug

[ghostrider]

Guys, I'm not sure you're aware, but markers will be classified as a firearm. To import one, you will need to have a dealers licence. Even a paintball licence (or cat A) is not enough.

I must say that I do find it amusing some of the simplified pricing structures I have seen in this post.

I'm sure that everyone who imports gear, Action, Paintball Aus, Semoz etc is pissing themselves laughing at the total lack of a clue that many paintballers seem to have about importing.

In short, prices WILL go down, but if you expect to see a new Angel Speed for sale for $1,300 Aus, I think you may be disapointed.

JD

Tip: Read GAV WA posts for a better idea than most.



how come paintball feilds are pushing for legalisation but also as a trade off they are giving in to the polititions and accepting the fire arms license classification. The courts have already advised the police that they are not a weapon and are not designed to kill or penetrate. It is not illegal to have them but it is not legal. You can not be done for having them unless you use them harmfully. That is in WA anyway i dont know about the east coast.

[Hideous]

I'm sure that everyone who imports gear, Action, Paintball Aus, Semoz etc is pissing themselves laughing at the total lack of a clue that many paintballers seem to have about importing

Yes we understand that they have a business to run and that will always be a conflict there.

I have broken down and updated the costs of importing a marker yourself on page 2 of this thread.

I will make a point here.. unless we get another 10,000 people playing paintball marker costs wont come down significantly.

[Rex]

how come paintball feilds are pushing for legalisation but also as a trade off they are giving in to the polititions and accepting the fire arms license classification. The courts have already advised the police that they are not a weapon and are not designed to kill or penetrate. It is not illegal to have them but it is not legal. You can not be done for having them unless you use them harmfully. That is in WA anyway i dont know about the east coast.

If we want a situation like it is in the states, where you can purchase a paintball marker from your local supermarket, then we should go ahead and make sure paintball markers are no longer classified as firearms.
However, when drive-bys start occurring from little tommy shooting at pedestriansfrom his bmx, paintball in australia will be shut down quicker than you can say "wheres my eye" and no one will be able to save it... no one.