Wa Paintball

[monular]

Hey guys,

been away for a while and was wondering if ne1 can tell me whats goin on with paintball in WA post Jason Anderson?

I've seen ads in the paper for paintball, so i guess its been deregd a bit but information to what extent would be appreciated.

cheers :help:

[Evil_HOMER]

Laws will be changing soon.

[corona kid]

I have seen the bill that has been added to the firearms act over here and they are making them a firearm but making a provision for the game "paintball" so I assume they will have to be locked up like a firearm and it looks like if you own one you will have to have a gun licence. It would be nice if you could keep them at home and get a downgraded version of the gun license so you dont have to go through to much crap.

[leathel]

I have seen the bill that has been added to the firearms act over here and they are making them a firearm but making a provision for the game "paintball" so I assume they will have to be locked up like a firearm and it looks like if you own one you will have to have a gun licence. It would be nice if you could keep them at home and get a downgraded version of the gun license so you dont have to go through to much crap.

Well unfortunately that is the way it is going to be.
If you want a personal paintball marker you will need a firearms licence, a justified reason to own a marker and you will need a gun safe.
That is the way it is in every other state that Paintball is legal, they are classed as Category "A" firearm.
If you don't want to go through the crap don't buy you're own marker!

[eukanuba]

If you want a personal paintball marker you will need a firearms licence, a justified reason to own a marker and you will need a gun safe. That is the way it is in every other state that Paintball is legal, they are classed as Category "A" firearm.

Leith, did you find out if owning a marker would require club membership ?
I know ( my dad had a .357 and a .303 ) that it was compulsory to shoot on a regular basis, and club membership was essential..

I couldnt get any information on "A" cat firearms.. Assuming .22's and .177's ( cap and air rifles ) fall under this definition.. also, would the balls and pressure cylinders also be required to stay in this safe - as is for ammunition at the moment ? or was paint not classified as ammunition ? - If it is, then fields may require dealers licences to sell it - and import would be restricted..

If they do classify the markers as A category, atleast then I can move my .22 registration into my own name.. ( Didnt have reason to have a gunsafe before - my dad holds and keeps it.. )

- Euk.

[leathel]

Leith, did you find out if owning a marker would require club membership ?
I know ( my dad had a .357 and a .303 ) that it was compulsory to shoot on a regular basis, and club membership was essential..

I couldnt get any information on "A" cat firearms.. Assuming .22's and .177's ( cap and air rifles ) fall under this definition.. also, would the balls and pressure cylinders also be required to stay in this safe - as is for ammunition at the moment ? or was paint not classified as ammunition ? - If it is, then fields may require dealers licences to sell it - and import would be restricted..

If they do classify the markers as A category, atleast then I can move my .22 registration into my own name.. ( Didnt have reason to have a gunsafe before - my dad holds and keeps it.. )

- Euk.

He chris about the club thing, I don't know for certain but I don't think so.
My understanding is that paint will not be classed as ammunition so felid won't have to have dealer’s lic to sell paint but they will if they want to sell markers.
Cat "A" is what there classed as in other states I would assume they will be the same here, it refers to low powered air, gas, rim and centerfire firearms.
This is from the police web site a definition of Cat "A" as I said this is what markers will most probly be classed as.
Category A
A1 an air rifle
A2.1 a single shot rim fire rifle
A2.2 a repeating rim fire rifle
A3.1 a single shot shotgun
A3.2 a double barrel shotgun
A3.3 a repeating shotgun (lever or bolt action)
A4.1 a combination firearm made up of a shotgun and a rifle each of
which individually would be of category A
A4.2 a rifle combination made up of rifles each of which would
Individually be of category A

[eukanuba]

Cat "A" is what there classed as in other states I would assume they will be the same here, it refers to low powered air, gas, rim and centerfire firearms.

Just incase anyone was interested...

Firearm FAQ ( W.A. ) (http://www.police.wa.gov.au/Services/FirearmsandWeapons.asp?FrequentlyAskedQuestions)

Specifications for Storage ( W.A. Firearms ) (http://www.police.wa.gov.au/Services/pdf/Schedule4.pdf)

Application for licence (http://www.police.wa.gov.au/Services/pdf/form1.pdf)

Statutory Application Declaration (http://www.police.wa.gov.au/Services/pdf/originalstatementapp.pdf)

Hope this helps everyone who was wondering..

- Euk.

[corona kid]

Well unfortunately that is the way it is going to be.
If you want a personal paintball marker you will need a firearms licence, a justified reason to own a marker and you will need a gun safe.
That is the way it is in every other state that Paintball is legal, they are classed as Category "A" firearm.
If you don't want to go through the crap don't buy you're own marker!

I think in NSW you have to have the maker registered to a field and it has to stay at the field, your not allowed to take it home, well is was like that a few weeks ago when I was there playing. They where saying its a bit differant in each state.

[leathel]

I think in NSW you have to have the maker registered to a field and it has to stay at the field, your not allowed to take it home, well is was like that a few weeks ago when I was there playing. They where saying its a bit differant in each state.

Well in fact you can own and take home a marker in NSW only Pump action but. They are still Category "A" firearms in NSW, QLD, VIC, SA.
You can own a semi in QLD, VIC, and SA.

[Rusty]

Well unfortunately that is the way it is going to be.
If you want a personal paintball marker you will need a firearms licence, a justified reason to own a marker and you will need a gun safe.
That is the way it is in every other state that Paintball is legal, they are classed as Category "A" firearm.
If you don't want to go through the crap don't buy you're own marker!

Lethal,
Bit rough mate... the guy had just had his first post and you ripped him a new one...... I just got him to take a look at the site for the first time....

[eukanuba]

I have seen the bill that has been added to the firearms act over here and they are making them a firearm but making a provision for the game "paintball"

yep, spot on.


I assume they will have to be locked up like a firearm
Spot on, looks like - smells like - treated like.. a firearm...


and it looks like if you own one you will have to have a gun licence.

Yep, you got one or want one - you gotta play by their rules.


It would be nice if you could keep them at home and get a downgraded version of the gun license so you dont have to go through to much crap.

You cant get anything lower.. there isnt anything lower, the restrictions are common sense laws designed to remove the " Lets buy a paintball gun and go shoot up grannies, signs, the idiot down the street, the neighbours cat and kids at school " mentality.. it makes our sport legal, it shows we have public acceptance.. and we play an acceptable sport.. not some " Gun toting rednecks on guerilla warfare training "..

I thought the same thing about the regulations before I knew all the facts and did all the reading into the subject, even read the hansard on the debates.. interesting stuff..

The thought given to this decision has been huge, there is obviously a problem in the USA with kids doing stupid things with what is potentially dangerous to people who are not active or willing participants in the line of fire. ( I.E. drive-by paintballing of people ).
The only real way to appease the government ( so that they are seen to be effecting law and order ) is to regulate the sport, but at the same time - allow certain freedoms - that freedom being - you can now play legally, own your own toy.. and buy and sell your toy.. if you want to..

If you ever get the chance to meet Minister Michelle Roberts ( M.P. ) you best shake her hand or say thank's, she's the best thing thats happened to W.A. ( and australia ) in a long time.. Also, say thanks to the W.A. police commissioner - who is an ex. kiwi - who went on record saying he thought paintball being outlawed was silly - and is quoted as saying " My kids play paintball all the time back in N.Z. " also, thank the guys who have been caught - and taken it to court ( we all know who ) and the guys who have called and sent letters to the pollies asking for action.. and for the APPL and NPPL for their hours of work ( too many people to name )

The list is huge, just be thankful the option is there.. the only choice for you is..

°Is it worth your 'Effort' to bother registering to own - or are you happy play with rental markers..

What leathel said was spot on target, appreciate the effort - many have tried and failed in the past over many years.. many thousands of man hours have been spent for no reimbursement working toward this goal..

It really is the light at the end of the tunnel..

- Euk.

[Rusty]

http://www.parliament.wa.gov.au/parliament/bills.nsf/BillProgressPopup?openForm&ParentUNID=25291D14937565F848256DE3001C2371

This is the "Bill" the Corona Kid is talking about... sorry if you already know about it, just helping out.

[leathel]

Lethal,
Bit rough mate... the guy had just had his first post and you ripped him a new one...... I just got him to take a look at the site for the first time....
Ok I apologise their corona kid.
Unfortunately Rusty I can be a bit to blunt some time.


http://www.parliament.wa.gov.au/par...8256DE3001C2371

This is the "Bill" the Corona Kid is talking about... sorry if you already know about it, just helping out.

You are correct that is the bill.

[corona kid]

OK heres another one: If it becomes legal are we going to be able to buy nice markers ie: 04 shockers, A4s and the like from our gun shops over here or because they are semis will they be hard to get like in Sydney.

[Pompous Frog]

Bassicaly all the changes of law on WA mean is that we will be able to legaly own a paintball marker. Well, that's what it looks like.

Buying brand spanking new markers means we will need to buy them from over seas. The only markers that you can buy brand new in australia are Cyborgs, Hurricans and Sonic ACs because they are made here in Australia. Federal law is such that it is illegal to import any paintball marker into Australia....except pumps but don't bother really.
There is talk of changes in federal law regarding the importation of semi auto markers so we will not know.

So to answer your question no. We will not be able to buy new toys. Only second hand ones of which already exist in Australia...and Mac Dev markers of course.

[eukanuba]

Bassicaly all the changes of law on WA mean is that we will be able to legaly own a paintball marker. Well, that's what it looks like.


If they are classified as an " A Category " then the import laws will be quick to change..

A licenced firearms dealer can import your toy for you.

- Euk.

[corona kid]

I was talking to Macs and they cant legaly sell to the fields in sydney, and they can sell to us because of the grey area. I hope that when it becomes legal we can still get stuff of them, all being it restricted to what they sell. Otherwise we would be better of they way we are and have been for the past 15 or so years, wouldnt we?

[Pompous Frog]

I was talking to Macs and they cant legaly sell to the fields in sydney, and they can sell to us because of the grey area. I hope that when it becomes legal we can still get stuff of them, all being it restricted to what they sell. Otherwise we would be better of they way we are and have been for the past 15 or so years, wouldnt we?

Not really, it is much better that it is getting regulated then it just staying in the shadows. With it legalised we can take our markers interstate and play in the big tournaments. As the other states have legalised paintball the fields require legal, registered markers.
Also, interstate teams can come over here and play with their own markers. While not all states have the same approach to paintball, it looks like the laws are becoming more united as it is being changed here.

Plus with regulations it means that safety aspects of the sport are inforced by law, so you can get charged for inapporpriate use of paintball equipment. Which is a very good thing as it deters people who abuse certain things. Also, it means you don't have to get scared when over taking 3 police vehicles with clearly visible boxes of paint in your car.

[doug eddy]

Not so frog you can buy Piranhas which are semis and have electrics upgrades available here in WA
One day I will learn how to put photos on the page for you to see.
Or better yet come and see me and try a marker
Doug

[Pompous Frog]

True, I just keep forgetting about you. Advertise more! It's good that we have markers available in WA.
But with that everything I said is still true, just add in that Piranahs are available in WA.

[corona kid]

Yep I agree with everything you are saying, I just hope that we will still have the option of the markers that are available now when it is legal. If they decide that importing semis is illegal as it is in some of the other states there goes all of the flashy markers.

As far as the tourney scene it used to be big over here in the old days (4-7 years ago) when there were tourneys held around WA once every few months, then there was a bit of a gap for some reason and NOW the tourney scene is bigger than ever! muggings, 28 balls a second and sup air! seems like a lot to do with Team Kaos, Ive never meet them but respect to them for taking the time to organize it, and everyone has a tricked up marker of some sort and CO2 whats that? if you dont have air your nothing.

As far as people shooting grannies with there markers hopefully guys and girls who can afford $3-$4000 bucks on there marker and gear have enough scense to have bit of respect of what they have, and what we all have here in WA.

[corona kid]

Does anyone know how long the new firearms bill will take to process? do the y have a meeting every month or somthing or is the bill already approved and we are just waiting for a start date?

[eukanuba]

As far as people shooting grannies with there markers hopefully guys and girls who can afford $3-$4000 bucks on there marker and gear have enough scense to have bit of respect of what they have, and what we all have here in WA.

Honestly agree with you there corona, but unfortunately - money isnt restricted to people who have brains or commonsense..

You will always get idiots that will say " I want a paintball marker so I can go shoot up the neighbours cat " - those kind of people sometimes have money, till this point - people like that were weeded out, and generally no one sold them stuff for fear of them exposing the sport in a negative light, theres always been a certain 'underground' element to it.. when it gets legal, atleast the idiots will have to be licenced - doesnt eliminate them completely ( as in all aspects of life ) just reduces them.. Some would call them " Rednecks ".. the same people you will see making stupid shit to do dumb things.. i.e. spud guns, aerosol rockets etc..

You just get darwin award people around from time to time..

- Euk.

[Bazza]

haha spud guns....there is some mismanaged youthful days :o