Racegun Board in an Angel, see here how it performs

[ben@pbhub.de]

Racegun Angel, 20 bps, breakbeam ACE :

http://www.deadlywind.com/files/race_angel_20bps.wmv

[Jamie_Cracker]

nice but dead eye can shoot faster apparently

[Studio 54]

ethan and his dust blue angel can shoot a 500bps..........bps standing for bullshit posts a second :eek: :D

only kidding mate ;)

[ben@pbhub.de]

nice but dead eye can shoot faster apparently

:rolleyes:

[GAV WA]

Guy's have also started putting WAS boards in them also. Don't see why myself, the sensi works fine and if you want an eye on it instead there are a few companies now fitting them to the standard angel boards.

[Jamie_Cracker]

i heard that you can cheat really good with the was boards in the angels,they get wicked trigger bounce

[Deadeye]

i cant shoot that fast:( when i shoot at my max i think id be going up around 15, fastest trigger fingers ive seen were on dman he must have been in the high teens, no idea if he had bounce or not. Ive gone as fast as that guy in the vid but there was lots of trigger bounce like i suspect he has, and trigger bounce is cheating so i got rid of it. Fun way to check bps is on digital paintball game. I go on there and use two fingers on the mouse button you can rip nice strings and measure 100balls against how many seconds you shot for. Similar to the real thing.

[ben@pbhub.de]

I posted something for you in the spam arena deadeye.

[ben@pbhub.de]

Guy's have also started putting WAS boards in them also. Don't see why myself, the sensi works fine and if you want an eye on it instead there are a few companies now fitting them to the standard angel boards.


Because you have some nice options, like the debounce and all this.
Its really worth it, and the WAS board detects a triggerpull several million times a second, which is why you dont slip into this 'gap' when you pull the trigger and nothing happens occasionally.
And yeah well, it memorizes shots, so in case you skip a shot, it is done afterwards. A bit of cheating, but works fine ;)

[GAV WA]

that sounds very similar to the old turbo shockers, they kept a memory of the pulsing, un-filtered trigger signals from the micro switch and started to drop them in when turbo mode was enabled. Still an illegal trigger. I wouldn't be surprised to see the APPL trying to crack down on these sort of trigger setups next year. Though I know it's hard with some of these setups to detect. Unfortunately I think that's the way WDP have gone with their A4 and that's why it has a trigger debounce setting and I think the main reason they did this is to keep up with all the other manufacturers and their similar boards.

[ben@pbhub.de]

You're right GAV, the Angel Speed had it, the A4 has it, Timmys have it and I think Matrizes have it too.
Its in a grey area, but it would be dumb if the APPL would try to ban these markers. If a ref can't detect triggerbounce, well, his fault. :)

[GAV WA]

Sorry, that's what I meant, the Ref's will be more on the look out and keeping an eye on those types of markers more. I never meant they would think of banning these markers, that wouldn't be fair.
PS. I don't think you will get many slippages with the opto switch on the new angels, it is one of the fastest responding and cleanest signals available and they already have too many little adjustments and gadgets on the standard board. I'd still like to see one though.

[minihux]

trigger bounce.........lol

so what who cares are they gonna give u a legal trigger pull length next year........it all depends on what marker you would be using like the recoil of the marker what settings....blah blah blah.......

i think that gray area should just be forgotten about if it aint auto theres nothing wrong with it IMO.

- peace /\/\ i n i h u x

[Rainman]

thats rubbish mini and cheating also........ one pull of the trigger = 1 shot.thats the way it should be, get your fingers to do the work.

[GAV WA]

It's alright rainman, let him go, he can explain the 100 point penalty (current ruling on this in appl rules) to his team next tourney. In the millenium I'm pretty sure you play a player down for the rest of the tourney as the infriging player is banned from further play in the tourney.

[minihux]

ohhh........now i know what u mean.

i throught it was just like when u fan the recoil kicks your trigger..........

isnt a shoot for a pull and a release of your trigger like a response trigger........

i throught you guys ment a whole different thing. :(

i dont cheat :(

- peace /\/\ i n i h u x

[Jamie_Cracker]

no the whole thing with debounce is that if you set it too fine it can act like a turbo or just go full auto,some boards can store the extra shots and such,i have had it on my timmy at training and is quite embarressing,iam sure gav can explain it in a more technical way

[GAV WA]

When the micro switch engages and disengages the signal and breakage of such signal is not a clean signal it is actually many tiny signals (like an old set of ingnition points with a bad condensor) as the contacts come into contact. To eleviate this problem a capacitor is joined between the two terminals or wires, (like the green caps you place in modern crank angle sensors) which kind of smooths out the signal. Smart parts were the first to use this to a "benefit" with their turbo shockers which had the capacitor later in the piece as part of the board and the board was still receiving the unfiltered signal and remembering the pulsed type signal then filtering it. When the turbo was to cut in it would release these stored signals and the rate of fire would go insane. Newer markers are starting to do more of just the same but are able to adjust just how much of the signal is filtered so you can fine tune it.
The other side is pure mechanical trigger bounce, still only really seen on electro markers but is when the trigger is so light and short that when the marker fires the kick from firing is enough to cause the trigger to move enough to cause another shot to be fired and the sequence continues, an almost full auto like trigger. IR3's are easy to demonstrate this.
The first type was supposed to be impossible to occur with the introduction of the Opto switch on the ir3 angels onwards as the switch is just a lazer beam similar to the sensor in a hopper but the second type of trigger bounce is still able to be achieved quite easily. Plus with the introduction of the A4 WDP have followed the other manufactorers and have programmed the boards with a built program that seems to be replacing the dirty signal and getting a similar effect.

[Bigbird]

Oh to be a Fly on the Wall, when a player had to try explaining that one to the rest of his/her teammates.

[Jamie_Cracker]

see i told you he could,thats what i was trying to say