100% force fed??

[shelle]

[QUOTE from minihux in the halo/egg post]the only hopper that would be 100% force feed is the Q Loader becuase the balls get forced from the hopper and all the way down the neck becuase its spring loaded.

Could someone please explain how the spring loading forces the paintballs down the feed neck? Wouldn't something get in the way (tangled up with) of the ball feeding?

*created new thread to follow rules, as in different question = new thread*

[minihux]

i take it u have never seen the Q Loader?


Quoted from there web site " it uses a helical driver system and is powered by an advanced torsion / compression spring. "

http://www.qloader.com/

This baby feeds at 30BPS and i can see how it would aswell. Very cool.

It will not be legal to use in any APPL event sad but true because its spring loaded. :( :(

- peace /\/\ i n i h u x

[shelle]

Nah, I hadn't seen the Q-loader before, thanks for the link :) . A little unusual looking, but cool.

[bunkerboy]

From what I've read, they are a real pain to reload, not to mention expensive, as you would need as many of these special pods as you would with the ordinary ones. Maybe even more seeing as they only hold 100 balls compared to the 140's. If it was tourny legal, I would imagine it would only be used by the front or mid players.

[Jamie_Cracker]

I like my warp feeds I reserve my decision about the qloaders till i see one in the flesh

[Studio 54]

I'm with you Jaimie....had a warp on my shocker for close on 12 months now.

Very nice.

[minihux]

From the review i have been reading they have been getting 9 stars out of 10 on pbreview.com they say there easy to reload they dont get any pant falling out on the ground it all goes in hopper. the only down size si the 100 balls limit.

- peace /\/\ i n h u x

[ben@pbhub.de]

[QUOTE from minihux in the halo/egg post]the only hopper that would be 100% force feed is the Q Loader becuase the balls get forced from the hopper and all the way down the neck becuase its spring loaded.



Na, the Halo is true force fed, because it's drive cone where the paintballs are lying in is under spring tension, which forces the balls down to feedneck of the hopper into the breech of your marker.

[minihux]

ok..............just wondering........

now the Q Loaders are using a spring / tension device aswell and they are not aloud in APPL because they are using that system.

can any one explain why the halo should be aloud to be used since thats using a spring tension system aswell but the Q Loader would not be useable at a APPL Event.

I think the APPL are trying to use the same rule system as NPPL [ dont hold me to that but i think they are ].if so they need to start fixing up rules cause the Q Loader has already been used in NPPL events this year. And we dont want another rule like that 13BPS one hold back the advancement of technology.

i personally think you sould be able to use any hopper available.

- peace /\/\ i n i h u x

[ben@pbhub.de]

Uh ?
Why shouldn't you be allowed to use a forcefed loader in an APPL tourney ? :confused:

[TRENT]

I read in a recent paintball mag the gravity rule was put in place for tournaments to stop the realistic looking guns that where flooding the market that used magazine style clips that would give tournament play that war like image we try to avoid.

[TRENT]

Oh and maybe its time for rules to be reviewed even though the Q Loader is useless for tournamenst due to small capicity.

[minihux]

just what i was gonna say..........becuase it uses a spring like a real magazine for a marker thats why the rule might be in place.

- peace /\/\ i n i h u x

[ben@pbhub.de]

Looks like a REAL GUN ?

LOL
Ok, if you say so and agree with that statement, good on you :D

[Pompous Frog]

Looks like a REAL GUN ?

LOL
Ok, if you say so and agree with that statement, good on you :D

He was reffering to why the rule was first implemented. Markers that look exactly (same weight and everything) as conventional military equipment utilise magzines (spring loaded) to feed the balls to these look-alike markers. Suck as the Armotech markers. A company that is contracted by the US Armed Forces aswell as the US Police Force to create realistic non-leathal markers for training purposes.

The fact that the tournament scene does not want any markers that look like real military equipment is most probably the reason for the implementation for the Gravity Feed rule. Seeing as it is impossible to mod an armotech marker and others like it to have balls fed from a vertical hopper.

I know I just said what Trent had already posted but I'm just trying to make it more clear so there aren't any misunderstandings.

[minihux]

i dont think any paintball player would agree with that stupid dribble about if they use a spring its a magzine............its a hopper for paintball to be used on a marker...thats designed to mark objects....

dont take it as if im getting in a shit with trent or any one simply saying how stupid some of the rules are.

- peace /\/\ i n i h u x

[ben@pbhub.de]

And you can not tell me, that anyone playing the APPL would rock on with an Armotech marker ;)

[GAV WA]

But Democrate party politicions don't play APPL do they. Anyway back on topic, That's the rule at the moment and also the reason why rules are able to be changed, don't jump up and down crying about an old rule as soon as it is challenged when a simple and mature discussion may cause it's modification or maybe even discribe good reasons for it's re-enforcement.
Mini, the old 13bps rule is a topic that has been sorted a long time ago and has been done to death so maybe time to drop it.

[ben@pbhub.de]

I am not jumping up and down crying, no way, just wondering about some pretty weird rules the australian Paintball has introduced to me the last weeks and months ;)

[minihux]

Gav.....

no one here is jumping up and down i think u just jumped into this thread with a different perspective then us.......i was just showing ben how stupid some rules are by telling him about that 13BPS rule.

dont take it the wrong way.....we are just talking about this topic.

which i think we should stop cause the thread was originally about the Q Loader but we ran the train of the tracks with our other topics.

back on track now.

- peace /\/\ i n i h u x

[TRENT]

Minihux, if the realistic looking markers shot better than a typical marker wouldnt u use if one in APPL. Im not saying they are better but what if they made a really good one. Its all about the perception of the sport and if u have seen some armotech markers or opsgear setup for tipp a5 at www.opsgear.com u would know why. Mate i would shit my dacks in street if saw someone walking around with that although hiding air or c2 could be a problem.

[Mary101]

with the amount of wierd looking guns in the movies these days, people might think a air tank would be a rather lethal modification to an already dangerous "gun"

[minihux]

what does any thing u just said trent have to do with the Q Loader. :)

- peace /\/\ i n i h u x

[GAV WA]

Ok back on the Q loader, It is obviously a very quick feed mechanism and the profile is low and something of a benefit, no more hopper hits, but for me at the moment the idea of only having 500 balls in the 5 loaders on my back is a bit of a downside and the weight at the front would be a bit off. Wouldn't completely right off the idea yet, only for the profile bit though as at the moment my egg2 feeds quite fast enough, they can sit at 15-16 without too much trouble.

[Bigbird]

I agree Gav.

The only way i could see it working is if you had it in the vertical pos. and use it as a foregrip. But hey, each to his own. I'll stick with the egg for the moment.

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[TRENT]

Nothing u asked why the laws are there and thats why. Just because it doesnt look like a magazine doesnt mean it is not banned. At times rules where introduced only the realistic looking non-gravity magazines where around. Now howver the q-loader is around but breaks the rules designed to stop releastic looking magazines. Thus the delima and reason for rules to be reviewed

[Hardcore]

And at US$50 per pod, who the hell would buy them?
People who are long on money and short on brains, and mummy's boys that need to have the newest invention.

Having said that;
Mum, where the hell is my A4?!?!?!?

[Beaker]

Where is the rule in the NPPL/Millennium about force fed hoppers, haven't seen it in any current rulebooks for the last couple of years?

What rule number is it? I obviously missed it