Fact or Fiction ? [Archive] - Billspaintball Forums

Hideous

13-11-2003, 05:53 PM

Elfboy

13-11-2003, 06:01 PM

mate i got a 2k sonic man and im going to electro it :)

im sure its worth the risk :)

im going for better ROF

BIG ROB

13-11-2003, 07:02 PM

On several other forums I have herd that some autocockers do wear quicker with the electro frame, but I havn't heard of anything wrong with the sonics. The guys who said there cockers were shot to pieces said they were putting 10 boxes a week through them for the last 9 months in practice. A lot of paint through them. Wish they would send there left overs over here. :D

PAINTBALL PETE

13-11-2003, 07:11 PM

There is a sonic-02 out there with an eltro on it and it zings yes a fracton harder on the body and such but its not used to the capacity to cause serious concern.

regards

PAINTBALL PETE :angel:

Mike

13-11-2003, 08:01 PM

Pete's right dude,

Gerald from the powerhouse amateur team "Rattle N Swat" uses a Sonic with an E-Blade and he has not had any problems with it. It wails a wall of paint!

Gee, now I have done it, ,agreeing with Paintball Pete and praising about a Mac Gun, I think I may have to lie down now.............................. :sleep:

Electrofunkster

13-11-2003, 08:41 PM

LOL wonders never siece ..... Next you will be playing one of his tournies and walking away with a AMATURE cup .... :rolleyes:

Elfboy

13-11-2003, 08:42 PM

only thing ive heard is youll have to change ya front block :) they are too small on the sonics

Jamie_Cracker

13-11-2003, 09:32 PM

i have heard the same but wouldnt have a clue,just do it man the extra firepower and there will be less strain on your fingers

Rainman

13-11-2003, 10:08 PM

Go on do it, you know you want to.........and if it wears too quickly, then theres an excuse to get a new toy.......

Jamie_Cracker

13-11-2003, 10:11 PM

Exactlty

BIG ROB

13-11-2003, 10:34 PM

Cant argue with logic!

ben@pbhub.de

13-11-2003, 10:54 PM

1: bullshit, why should it ?
2: ummm, what the ? :) Not true, you will notice some wear in the far future, but thats just normal. You would notice wear if you would play on with your mechanical version.
3: no. thats bs, too.
4: not sure about that, but usually I think they use the standard autockcer raw bodies to machine their sonic bodies. There aren't many Cockers out there that are not based on a standard WGP body.
5: what do you mean with bolt stop ? The balldetend ? I am lost a bit here. Or the backblock ?
6: I can do some research on that for you if you want me to, I am not sure about that.

If I were you, I would get an E frame. If you wonder why you should get one, there is a very good article on warpig.com .

http://www.warpig.com/paintball/technical/paintguns/autococker/racegun/

check it out, it's a good read.

Fact or Fiction ladies and gentlemen ?

I was chatting to a chap who told me i was mad for wasting my money putting an electro grip on the Sonic 03 Cocker.

1/ it would strip the thread between the cocking rod and bolt stop
2/ it would wear too quickly due to inferior softer material used in the body
3/ the bolt would leak too much

next chap said

4/ Macdev use their own BOLT, so aftermarket bolts with O rings wont fit.
5/ The bolt stop needs to be seriously lightened

** Latest **
6/ have to change the front block becuase they are too small on the sonics.

next person said - its all a crock - do it anyway becuase you will be 100years old before anthing like the above happens.

I honestly wasn't buying the frame because of ROF, i was buying it for my lack of finger control and my hatred of the long trigger throw and overtravel.

Opinions ?

Rainman

13-11-2003, 11:21 PM

Don't hold back ben, tell him what you really think..........
HAHA. just do it...... :armed: :armed:

Hideous

14-11-2003, 12:20 AM

Vladimir

14-11-2003, 09:28 AM

Eay fix for it all......

Back block- use some loctie (blue type) and add a 10/32 grub screw in from the back, up against the pump arm (in the back block) so it wont vibrate and do any damage.

Front block- you may want to change it so the solenoid cover lines up and looks nice...the mac front block has the LP reg in the centre of the block.

Bolt- alloy cocker body or delrin bolt which will win in a fist fight? think about it.

Ball detent- buy another as aspare and replace it next year.

GO WITH any E-COCKER YOU WON'T BE DISSAPOINTED.

JJJ

14-11-2003, 10:06 AM

[QUOTE=Hideous]Fact or Fiction ladies and gentlemen ?

I was chatting to a chap who told me i was mad for wasting my money putting an electro grip on the Sonic 03 Cocker.

1/ it would strip the thread between the cocking rod and bolt stop
2/ it would wear too quickly due to inferior softer material used in the body
3/ the bolt would leak too much

> I have my E-Blade grip on the Mac Dev Sonic 02 body and it rips. There has been no problems with it at all. The 02 bodies were to WGP specs so its crap about the bolt leaking. (obviously you waz talking to dead_eye!)

4/ Macdev use their own BOLT, so aftermarket bolts with O rings wont fit.
5/ The bolt stop needs to be seriously lightened

>Question 4 is correct as far as I am aware for Sonic 03's. The internals and bolts are specific for the 03 model & not WGP specs. But the bolt is a delrin self-lubricating.

I have used a sonic bolt that ripped in my E-Blade. I just chose to go with a lighter Planet bolt because I could.

** Latest **
6/ have to change the front block becuase they are too small on the sonics.

>Question 6. You can put the solenoid on the small sonic block but its at an angle. I did get a new front block in so that it looked asthetically pleasing.

But I have heard that E-upfgrades have fitted on the front block of the sonic.

GAV WA

14-11-2003, 08:28 PM

Dude, don't do it!
They are accurate and really fast and I don't won't you shooting at me with it.
Stick with a standard old cocker so I might last longer than 3 seconds this time,(anyone see our game against The Saints at The Hookem Cup)

Jamie_Cracker

14-11-2003, 11:48 PM

yep,and you werent much better against us

JJJ

15-11-2003, 06:39 AM

Funny how some people want to dump on anything new.

How many times did we here that the following would never work:
- Warp feed
- Egg loaders
- Electronic eyes (note Mini Hux's comments about Planets E-Blade Eye - even though you can adjust the eye so it can read any paint)
- Electro upgrade kits for mags, cockers etc...
- APPL

Jamie_Cracker

15-11-2003, 04:55 PM

not me i love new stuff,without inovation how can the sport go forward

ben@pbhub.de

15-11-2003, 08:11 PM

:)

I was meaning the back block.............. most i have seen are quite smaller than the Sonic's current one

And as for the front block.. why would it make a difference anyway?

The O ring bolt ... i should send you the dimensions to see whether i can replace that

Is there a better beaver tail? This sonic one is already bent cos its just a simpled folded AL tail. :cry:

So the LPR on the sonic sits where usually the expansion chambers on old cockers are ? Then you will have no problem. Because I had an expansion chamber, a ram with qevs, an LPR and a Racesolenoid plus cover on my Spearhead Autococker frontblock. And it did fit.

You should be able to use any beavertail on the market.

As for the O Ring bolt : just call up MD and ask them if a standard WGP would fit. If it does, try to get the WGP fulldelrin, or, what is pretty sweet too, is the new Belsales bolt which they put into their EvoX Cockers.

Rainman : just saying what I am convinced about ;) But I will leave the decision what to buy up to Hideous anyway hehe.

As for what Vladimir said, I think he is right. An E Grip makes your Cocker scream.

JJJ

16-11-2003, 10:28 AM

Take a look at the set ip of the sonic front block & you will not need to ask that question

HellSpawn

16-11-2003, 11:45 AM

I got a solution... buy a spyder

Jamie_Cracker

16-11-2003, 02:46 PM

or not

Hideous

16-11-2003, 07:31 PM

or not

NO no no no
A Spyder? But its a solid marker at the limit of its design.

minihux

16-11-2003, 10:05 PM

Fact or Fiction ladies and gentlemen ?

I was chatting to a chap who told me i was mad for wasting my money putting an electro grip on the Sonic 03 Cocker.

1/ it would strip the thread between the cocking rod and bolt stop
2/ it would wear too quickly due to inferior softer material used in the body
3/ the bolt would leak too much

next chap said

4/ Macdev use their own BOLT, so aftermarket bolts with O rings wont fit.
5/ The bolt stop needs to be seriously lightened

** Latest **
6/ have to change the front block becuase they are too small on the sonics.

next person said - its all a crock - do it anyway becuase you will be 100years old before anthing like the above happens.

I honestly wasn't buying the frame because of ROF, i was buying it for my lack of finger control and my hatred of the long trigger throw and overtravel.

Opinions ?

LOL...........have they got an electro frame.......

the only thing to worry about is the front block we have also heard that they dont work right cause the reg is in the center........

and with the cocking rod strip issues the cocking rod has a screw through the back block and the rod its looked tight...also make sure u sit it so there like a 1mm gab between the back block and the back of the marker so its not slapping but hey u would of already known that any cocker owner does.....

if the ANS E-Frame what we are bringing in for ya is for they sonic we will just have a look cause of the front block issue....but beside that every thing should be fine.....

peace minihux

minihux

16-11-2003, 10:11 PM

ohh yeah i hat to say the work

LEGGO has a race frame on his old sonic and it works perfect......

and all the bulls crap about the bolt can make any size bolt u want cause my dad made me a new delrin bolt for my marker double O-Ring work perfect........

peace minihux

ps.........for fasted BPS Chris try to have the lighest back block and bolt ect for quicker cycle rate........every bit of metal makes a difference.......as i have noticed.....

Jamie_Cracker

16-11-2003, 10:19 PM

its called reciprocating mass

ben@pbhub.de

17-11-2003, 12:08 AM

Mini, a new backblock is a thing that you wont even notice.
Get a fast ram with qevs and a (if you can afford it) fulldelrin bolt matched to the size of your very own bolttube without O rings for less friction.
And make sure you have a fast loader, like a Halo B. You can not get any faster than with a Halo on an E Cocker.

minihux

17-11-2003, 12:27 AM

i know u r RaceGun Tech but wouldn't it help to have a lighter back block...........just wondering dude what wrong with having o-rings on ya dellrin bolt cause we do it so there no blow back but i spose if its made perfect in ya marker there won be no gaps........i should be getting qevs aswell........

like we make full delrin bolt low pressure one and normal one for like about $65 bucks i think and thats to suit your markers excate size.....

peace /\/\ i n i h u x

ben@pbhub.de

17-11-2003, 12:43 AM

It would help a slightly bit, but my opinion is, it is a waste of money and time, whioch you could be better off spending by buying accessoires that really have effect on the performance on the marker.

I don't see a good reason to put O rings on a bolt, that has been made to fit a certain bolttube exactly. You will have no blowback. Usually, O rings on bolts are only put on due to the rather high tolerances of the mass of WGP bodies used. You know, there are a lot of custom Cockers out there, even ones that do not use a WGP raw body. And they all have tolerances in bolttube sizes. If you are getting a bolt for your very own Autococker and get it manufactured to fit your bolttube, then I don't see a point to put O rings on. O rings cause friction in the bolttube and can wear off. So why having them if you don't need them ?

Mind telling me what you are meanung with 'low pressure bolt' and 'normal bolt' ?

65$ is a good price for an exact fitted fulldelrin bolt, no question.

i know u r RaceGun Tech but wouldn't it help to have a lighter back block...........just wondering dude what wrong with having o-rings on ya dellrin bolt cause we do it so there no blow back but i spose if its made perfect in ya marker there won be no gaps........i should be getting qevs aswell........

like we make full delrin bolt low pressure one and normal one for like about $65 bucks i think and thats to suit your markers excate size.....

peace /\/\ i n i h u x

GAV WA

17-11-2003, 02:59 AM

yep,and you werent much better against us
Yeah I know but atleast I got their main attack, front player in his blinding run down the tape. High light of my weekend.

Anyway, so we've all decided that, yep, he's going to put an electro frame on his cocker? Cool now hurry up and get some photos of it on here.

Hideous

17-11-2003, 04:50 PM

Yes MINI it is a Sonic 03 its going on.................

So assume i will have to get a new front block.
See what mod i have to do.

but

I bet macdev will bring out another E Cocker based on their new electro frame they used on the Cyborg to counter the WDP E Orracle as soon as we have done all this work..... for 1/2 the price.

My Sonic Cocker 03 was leaking through the 3 way again yesterday.
in the meantime i used ,,,,,guess?

www.paintmagazine.com/ppc/gallery/3man_11_03/paintball0001.jpg

TTAM

17-11-2003, 06:07 PM

So hows about telling us how the shocker goes instead of just posting pics...

ben@pbhub.de

17-11-2003, 06:30 PM

So hows about telling us how the shocker goes instead of just posting pics...

Like this I think :

Originally posted by Hideous
Back again

Used the shocker today for the first time in a 3 man. I was robbed !!! it was a slaughter and i was the fresh meat.

I have serious rapid fire drop off - any faster than 3bps and it drops rapidly down in pressure. If i fire say 2 bbps sustained it drops away too.

I have no fsdo - and no leak from the gas through.

But But in rapid fire the paint just drops away :mad:

NOTE: I have done nothing to the Maxlfo yet.

Everyone made comment at the accuracy- but mentioned that it was air starved when firing for than 3 bps.

Why? Any suggestions? Should i be increasing the ROF ?

Most here recomended throwing away the gas through and getting a larger volume reg.

HELP !!!!!!

;)

TTAM

17-11-2003, 09:56 PM

Coolthanks.

Jamie_Cracker

17-11-2003, 09:59 PM

I heard that it was a big prob with the shocker and they havent fixed it yet but people are working on it
Hideous wdp brings out angels wgp brings out cockers

Hideous

18-11-2003, 01:16 AM

So hows about telling us how the shocker goes instead of just posting pics...

It goes good, but not well.. FSDO is gone, but i have rapid fire drop off that could be the maxflo reg.

Cracker -- its all wdgp to me - as long as it works!!

ben@pbhub.de

18-11-2003, 02:44 AM

Should be your reg crapping out. You have a bad flow, either in your marker, which I highly doubt, or in your MaxFlo reg. I would check it, clean it and then try again. This is definately a flow problem.
Usually inline regs tend to get dirty, but since you have a gas through this is no option.

Hideous

23-11-2003, 07:42 PM

hmm

Well Neil :bow: recognised a fault with the solenoid mounting plate on the 03 Shocker.

It was leaking due to a tripped thread on the mount - it leaks when recharging through the solenoid. :hammer:

APPARENTLY this is a very common problem when overtightened or dropped when being disassembled.

It should be up and running for SAPPA4.

The maxflo reg was checked - and it was 100%.
Just to prove a point I used the MACDEV Conquest rig and it did the same thing.

BUT BUT as you all know - I bought a Sonic 03 with Conquest last month, this will defintely be going with me. It still leaks air , but according to a mate up at Mt White - Macdev are going to solve that problem for us by replacing the 3 way or something. We have left that up to Macdev to solve for us.

JJJ

24-11-2003, 08:59 AM

hmm
I bought a Sonic 03 with Conquest last month, this will defintely be going with me. It still leaks air , but according to a mate up at Mt White - Macdev are going to solve that problem for us by replacing the 3 way or something. We have left that up to Macdev to solve for us.

That would be good. All the sonics I have seen leak air from the ram.

Neil

24-11-2003, 09:15 AM

Yep, found the fault with the 03, very fine thread stripped on solenoid mounting plate!
I can assure you that if we can get the rof up to say...14 bps or more this gun is going to impress!
From what I hear, that is entirely possible. :evil
New shocker was accurate, quiet and light, if we get the thing to recharge quickly it will be a VERY nice marker!
I think Chris has ordered a vision board too now havent you?
It will need it for later!
Small bugs in the 03, nothing I cant fix! :armed:
Cya, Neil
Matt, you would like it, so small and light you could carry extra stubbies! lol! :p

Hideous

24-11-2003, 10:23 AM

Yep, found the fault with the 03, very fine thread stripped on solenoid mounting plate!
I think Chris has ordered a vision board too now havent you?

Yes I ordered Vision - if we can get the RFDO fixed the new board is rated at 24pbs - yes i know its not 30pbs like those ( clears back of throat and spits ) Angels etc.
It is definitely quieter than the Cocker, i thought it wasn't firing the forst time i used it.

As for the Sonic 03 - while we await a fix for the leak problem, it still works extremely well, it's accurate and uses 1/2 the air of the shocker. I still think it has an edge over the Angel in range despite what Dead_Angel says.
I either will use it at SAPPA if the shocker needs more work or lend it to a team mate.
Hopefully i can try a Sonic Cyborg in SA.